"Muh Sweden."

[tholdren]

No they aren't. Sweden still overcounting deaths. Finland requires covid to be a death FROM covid to count as a covid death.

You lie or are ignorant. Choose 1

ChumpDumper

[ChumpDumper]

Sweden lost.

[tholdren]

Holy I'm getting sick of the "Sweden argument" from the anti-lockdown crowd on the hole known as twitter. Conservative media is also on the Sweden bandwagon. Let's take it apart.

"Sweden proves lockdowns don't really work, and they haven't torpedoed their economy based on faulty models and wrong assumptions about the virus's mortality rate."

Sweden is not "business as usual."

They can't have events with more than 50 people. School closures for over 16. And even though their stay-at-home orders aren't as stringent as everyone else's, the Swedish have voluntary stayed-at-home. Here's their movement data.

https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobi..._Report_en.pdf

Key figure here is the -41% in retail and recreation. That is only 7 percentage points lower than California's https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobi..._Report_en.pdf.

What this means is that Sweden's lax measures aren't doing much to prop up the hardest hit economic sectors (your bars, restaurants, clubs, theaters) because people aren't too keen on going to those right now. So "the Swedish Model" isn't going to help with that if we stupidly try to apply it here.

"We should apply the Swedish model to save the economy, as they've proven you can have an open economy and mitigate spread."

Sweden hasn't "mitigated" the spread at all. Let's return to that above movement data from them and California. California is socially distancing a bit more, but given the exponential nature of epidemic growth, that 41% vs. 48% figure in retail/recreation movement and 24% vs, 40% in workplace movement has proven huge. California has 4 times the population of Sweden, 5 times the population density, more multi-person homes (Sweden has one of the highest rates of single person homes in Europe), more international travel, and CA's death rate is 37 per million vs. Sweden's 192 million.

"Other Euro countries have locked down and are doing worse than Sweden."

Countries like the Netherlands and Belgium have not locked down, with the former going for the herd immunity strategy. Not working out too well for them. And many of those other hard hit regions in Europe are suffering because they were late to lockdown. And the UK went for the herd immunity strategy early on and is on pace to become the hardest hit country in Europe.

That said, I won't argue if the Swedish strategy works for Sweden. But the supporters of that strategy are making the apples to oranges comparison fallacy. Sweden's population density is 57 people per sq mile. That's lower than Utah's, a sparse state. 50 percent of their working population already worked from home before this. They have more single person households. I would assume the average Swede is in better physical shape than the average American. They have no cities with over 1 million people. They have some things in their favor that they can try this strategy that many US regions don't. It might work on a very region specific basis, but not countrywide. And it has no hope in of working in densely populated areas.

This guy dumb as bricks

[ChumpDumper]

He's right.

You're wrong.

You're always wrong.

And alone.

In a bar.

Sad.

[tholdren]

He's right.

You're wrong.

You're always wrong.

And alone.

In a bar.

Sad.

Denmark day 9 of vax protests. Lol cry

[ChumpDumper]

Denmark day 9 of vax protests. Lol cry

fldren can't even talk about Sweden anymore.

I win.

No takesies backsies!

[tholdren]

We are going to get to see what happens in that case in Texas. Case count has doubled in two weeks, another two weeks will see it double again. About that time we will see what happens to a US health system when demand exceeds capacity.

Lolololol

[Ef-man]

Foldren keeps folding.

Nope. Keep lying

[tholdren]

What about Denmark and Norway?

Denmark has been under 5 deaths since mid-May.
Norway has been under 5 deaths since April.

THAT is success.

Denmark protesting for 9 days. Loloololooll

No vax

Bwahahahahahhahahahahahahah

[tholdren]

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...#Comorbidities

Oh my

[Ef-man]

Foldren with CDC link to self-fold.

Oh my

[tholdren]

Winning

The strategy, however, will not change.

"No, we will keep on this path," Chief Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell told Reuters in a telephone interview on Friday. "This is how we work in Sweden. We have big understanding for this and a huge adherence to the rules."

In contrast to many other countries, Sweden has kept schools, restaurants and other businesses open throughout the pandemic. Instead, it has focused on voluntary measures aimed at promoting social distancing and good hygiene, such as working from home if possible, avoiding public transport and crowded indoor activities

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden. It is what it is.

[tholdren]

Winning

The strategy, however, will not change.

"No, we will keep on this path," Chief Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell told Reuters in a telephone interview on Friday. "This is how we work in Sweden. We have big understanding for this and a huge adherence to the rules."

In contrast to many other countries, Sweden has kept schools, restaurants and other businesses open throughout the pandemic. Instead, it has focused on voluntary measures aimed at promoting social distancing and good hygiene, such as working from home if possible, avoiding public transport and crowded indoor activities

Sweden about to hit median death this year over past 10. Completely within normal range of all.cause fatalities


Another win for me.

Another fail for ihme models that have scared WrongdomGuy less for 8 months.

Sucks to be you

[Ef-man]

Folding, folding, folding, that is all you do foldren.
Provide math, links, or go to El Paso.

Sweden about to hit median death this year over past 10. Completely within normal range of all.cause fatalities


Another win for me.

Another fail for ihme models that have scared WrongdomGuy less for 8 months.

Sucks to be you

[tholdren]

Sweden about to hit median death this year over past 10. Completely within normal range of all.cause fatalities


Another win for me.

Another fail for ihme models that have scared WrongdomGuy less for 8 months.

Sucks to be you

[Ef-man]

Quoting your folds, again?

i fold, again

[tholdren]

Sweden about to hit median death this year over past 10. Completely within normal range of all.cause fatalities


Another win for me.

Another fail for ihme models that have scared WrongdomGuy less for 8 months.

Sucks to be you

[Ef-man]

Foldren is coming to terms.

i foldren have trouble with math, using links, and am scared of going to El Paso because of covid, so i fold, again.

[tholdren]

Sweden about to hit median death this year over past 10. Completely within normal range of all.cause fatalities


Another win for me.

Another fail for ihme models that have scared WrongdomGuy less for 8 months.

Sucks to be you

Denmark!!

[ChumpDumper]

fldren still afraid of us.

[tholdren]

fldren still afraid of us.

Denmark

[Ef-man]

Foldren, taking solace in his folding. Sad.

Denmark is not math, a link, nor near El Paso.

Denmark!!

[ChumpDumper]

Denmark

You're afraid of Denmark too.

[tholdren]

You're afraid of Denmark too.

Chumpdump crying and hiding in fear