official offseason thread

[Dejounte]

Don't sleep on indy or NY either

NY has too many bigs that LMA doesnt make sense for them. DeMar is a crip and probably would disapprove of a trade to NY

[Chinook]

NY is always a potential buyer too... I have to wonder in Charlotte or Orl will be a buyer as well..

I think Charlotte is a buyer in terms of moving up in the draft. I don't think they're win-now with that roster. Orlando definitely would've been had Isaac not hurt himself. I think they sell Gordon and Vucevic off, try to draft pieces that actually fit with their talent and reevaluate next off-season.

As far as New York goes, I think they'll try to buy with cap space, but unless they get Russ for free, I don't think even they can consider themselves in a place where they can use draft picks. Though Randle and 27 isn't the worst package out there.

[cjw]

they feel they can get him next free agency

Is he signing for the veteran’s minimum or the taxpayer MLE?

[Chinook]

LMA and DDR's stock might be low enough at this point to be in the same tier as OPJ and LDN unfortunately, along with the fact teams don't wanna trade with SA unless they're clearly robbing them blind since they don't wanna look like the Pacers in 2011.

They might be, but I think they're at least with Hayward and Conley (who might also be on the move), and they're cheaper. And I hope the Leonard trade still isn't looked at like the biggest heist ever given what we've seen on the market the past two off-seasons.

[Dancelot]

All these trade packages the last couple seasons these teams are getting for their players. kawhi.

[mo7888]

I think Charlotte is a buyer in terms of moving up in the draft. I don't think they're win-now with that roster. Orlando definitely would've been had Isaac not hurt himself. I think they sell Gordon and Vucevic off, try to draft pieces that actually fit with their talent and reevaluate next off-season.

As far as New York goes, I think they'll try to buy with cap space, but unless they get Russ for free, I don't think even they can consider themselves in a place where they can use draft picks. Though Randle and 27 isn't the worst package out there.

I throw NY in there simply because they have a history of doing dumb things.... Cha though is rumored to be willing to take on Westbrook (w/o giving up picks)... If they get him then I'd think they'd be buyers to try and make a run at making the playoffs.

[Dejounte]

Does DeMar for Khris Middleton work??? They probably won't take that deal huh

[Robz4000]

They might be, but I think they're at least with Hayward and Conley (who might also be on the move), and they're cheaper. And I hope the Leonard trade still isn't looked at like the biggest heist ever given what we've seen on the market the past two off-seasons.

Prolly not the biggest, but the league prolly sees the Spurs as a vulnerable trade partner.

[Chinook]

We know Phillys gonna make some deals with how aggressive Morey is

Harden is going to the Nets for sure

Minnesota has a 17th pick we could trade for

ATL isnt taking DeRozan and LMA doesnt make sense for them. Theyre the ones who may end up with Hayward

I see PHL, MIA, BOS, MIN as our trade partners. Maybe GS but only for the 2nd pick (doubtful)

I think that Minny pick comes online as soon as the draft ends. , it's possible that GS trades down with ATL or Detroit and then tries offering that lower pick and the Minny pick. We'll see.

I don't know that Harden is going to the Nets. Unlike with Westbrook, I think teams in the upper lottery will be willing to fork over tons of value for him. I'm not sure Houston will prioritize making Harden happy if the result is a way worse deal. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Warriors come away with him.

DeRozan actually does make sense for them for the same reason Hayward might. Did he opt out? If so, they could just lose him in free agency. If not, then I don't know that there's a trade between the teams. Does ATL want to drop all the way to 14? Would Ainge even be willing to give up 14 in this deal? DeRozan being cheaper works in SA's favor, though they'll have to be willing to miss out on some extra value to make sure they get a deal done before the trade capital dries up.

[Chinook]

Does DeMar for Khris Middleton work??? They probably won't take that deal huh

RGMers think Mids has high-lottery value ala Covington. So I don't think they'd take that deal. I'm glad too, because Aggie or not, the Spurs don't need that contract on their books.

[look_at_g_shred]

Does DeMar for Khris Middleton work??? They probably won't take that deal huh

We can just draft him at 11

[Dejounte]

RGMers think Mids has high-lottery value ala Covington. So I don't think they'd take that deal. I'm glad too, because Aggie or not, the Spurs don't need that contract on their books.

Really? I thought Khris was a way better fit for the Spurs and better player overall...hmm

[objective]

Is he signing for the veteran’s minimum or the taxpayer MLE?

Yeah, Portland will be close enough to the cap or even over the cap if they don't renounce Collins or Trent Jr. Maybe they could waive Nurkic and pay the $4 million partial, but he's been pretty good when healthy

If a team like Golden State trades for him an gets LMA's bird rights, even a pay cut down to $15 million will be a huge amount more than Portland can get to.

[Dejounte]

I think that Minny pick comes online as soon as the draft ends. , it's possible that GS trades down with ATL or Detroit and then tries offering that lower pick and the Minny pick. We'll see.

I don't know that Harden is going to the Nets. Unlike with Westbrook, I think teams in the upper lottery will be willing to fork over tons of value for him. I'm not sure Houston will prioritize making Harden happy if the result is a way worse deal. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Warriors come away with him.

DeRozan actually does make sense for them for the same reason Hayward might. Did he opt out? If so, they could just lose him in free agency. If not, then I don't know that there's a trade between the teams. Does ATL want to drop all the way to 14? Would Ainge even be willing to give up 14 in this deal? DeRozan being cheaper works in SA's favor, though they'll have to be willing to miss out on some extra value to make sure they get a deal done before the trade capital dries up.

What's the point of watching the NBA anymore if Harden ends up with the Warriors? That's way worse than when Durant joined them. Filthy

[Degoat]

The good thing is this has got to put pressure on other playoff teams to look to improve

[Chinook]

I forgot Gobert and other Utahn vets might also be on the block. The Jazz have to be looking at the NBA now and realizing their core doesn't have a chance.

[Robz4000]

What's the point of watching the NBA anymore if Harden ends up with the Warriors? That's way worse than when Durant joined them. Filthy

no it isn't. Harden is inferior to the Durant that joined the Dubs and its not close. The Dubs also wouldn't have the depth they had back then if Harden joins (prolly no Donkey either). They'd be favorites (not overly so), but one injury derails them.

[Dejounte]

I forgot Gobert and other Utahn vets might also be on the block. The Jazz have to be looking at the NBA now and realizing their core doesn't have a chance.

Would love to steal Royce O Neal from them. One of the league's best defenders right now

[Dejounte]

no it isn't. Harden is inferior to the Durant that joined the Dubs and its not close. The Dubs also wouldn't have the depth they had back then if Harden joins (prolly no Donkey either). They'd be favorites (not overly so), but one injury derails them.

Meh. To each his own. Harden has been doing historic things for about two years now.

[Dverde]

I forgot Gobert and other Utahn vets might also be on the block. The Jazz have to be looking at the NBA now and realizing their core doesn't have a chance.

They should trade Mike Conley for Russell Westbrick. Westbrook loves Utah

[objective]

I forgot Gobert and other Utahn vets might also be on the block. The Jazz have to be looking at the NBA now and realizing their core doesn't have a chance.

I doubt it.

They are more likely to talk themselves into believing that if Bogey had been healthy, with an improving Mitc and O'Neale etc that they have a real chance

Developing guys like O'Neale just feeds into the mindset that they will make their own advantages with good coaching and development

[Chinook]

Meh. To each his own. Harden has been doing historic things for about two years now.

He's done that buy dominating the ball (and alienating the out of his teammates). He's not clearly better than Curry right now. I do agree with you that it'd be worse than Durant, but only because it came after Durant. It would be just like if GS drafted Tim Duncan at 2 after their controlled tank and went on to be a dynasty for 10 years.

[Dejounte]

Royce O Neale proves you dont have to be tall to be good at defending tall players. He's only 6'4" and abusing these tall players. You do have to be strong though.

[Chinook]

I doubt it.

They are more likely to talk themselves into believing that if Bogey had been healthy, with an improving Mitc and O'Neale etc that they have a real chance

Developing guys like O'Neale just feeds into the mindset that they will make their own advantages with good coaching and development

I think that's true. But remember that Gobert was already on the block and might want to move on next summer, and there seems to be a good market to sell now. After him, you have guys like Ingles and Bojan who are too old to just wait it out. Being able to develop guys like O'Neal is actually an incentive to trade away their older core and build around Mitchel and future picks.

[mo7888]

I do think with Jrue and Paul off the board that DJ's value just went up.