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    Royce O Neale proves you dont have to be tall to be good at defending tall players. He's only 6'4" and abusing these tall players. You do have to be strong though.
    Watching good defense is so enjoyable. This is the reason i would be fine if we landed Okoro. Having elite perimeter D would be amazing. And NO, Vassell and his frail ass wouldnt be able to do this .

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    I do think with Jrue and Paul off the board that DJ's value just went up.
    I wouldn't say that. Holiday and Paul were win-now trades. Murray is a "future building block" trade that'd appeal to a team like ATL or NYK. Those teams might not think highly enough of Haliburton, Hayes or Lewis to take them over Murray. If anything the two big PG trades help DeRozan's value along with like Rubio's and maybe even Bledsoe's.

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    I think that's true. But remember that Gobert was already on the block and might want to move on next summer, and there seems to be a good market to sell now. After him, you have guys like Ingles and Bojan who are too old to just wait it out. Being able to develop guys like O'Neal is actually an incentive to trade away their older core and build around Mitchel and future picks.
    To my memory, I don't think Gobert was ever on the block, only outside media and opinionators agitating to get him on the block. I've been listening to Locked On Jazz in my podcast rotation for years and don't remember Gobert being shopped, only speculation on whether the Jazz could keep the pair together and anxiety over a supermax for Gobert.

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    I wouldn't say that. Holiday and Paul were win-now trades. Murray is a "future building block" trade that'd appeal to a team like ATL or NYK. Those teams might not think highly enough of Haliburton, Hayes or Lewis to take them over Murray. If anything the two big PG trades help DeRozan's value along with like Rubio's and maybe even Bledsoe's.
    I'm thinking more on the lines of Atl or Det... Atl won't want to put a rookie next to Trae and Detroit I think will be interested too but, they might be more apt to take a rookie like NY.

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    Spurs obviously like what they have.

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    RC and Brian Wright's idea of a big splash is 4/60 for Bryn Forbes

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    RC and Brian Wright's idea of a big splash is 4/60 for Bryn Forbes
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    No way NO is going to take in two more rookies this year, right? Surely they need some vets? LMA or DeMar would be good on that team ...

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    Gotta root for the Bucks to land him then, even though I'm not sure they have enough to get SAC to sign off on their part of the deal. I'd be curious to see if the Spurs could work a DeRozan swap into the trade.

    SAS in: Bagley, Lopez
    SAS out: DeRozan

    MKE in: Bogdanovic
    MKE out: Lopez, Divencienzo (or whatever)

    SAC in: DeRozan, Divencienzo (o como quiera)
    SAC out: Bogdanovic, Bagley

    Spurs get a young PF as the price to eating Lopez' deal. They'd have to trade away Aldridge, but maybe they'd've already done it as part of an earlier deal.
    The Bucks get their guy. No big deal.
    I've heard the Kings want to rebuild, but this seems like a cheap enough deal to try to go for it another year.

    Let's say for some reason that Charlotte hops up and grabs Wiseman at 1. GS trades Wiggins and 2 for LMA and 11. Spurs draft Edwards at 2. Then the Spurs do this trade, draft Woodard at 41 and basically call it a night (though Mills and Gay trades are almost certainly on the table). This would be their roster:

    Murray, Mills,
    Edwards, White, Weatherspoon
    Johnson, Walker, Woodard
    Bagley, Gay, Samanic
    Lopez, Poeltl, Lyles

    Not the worst team, though Lyles or Gay would definitely have to go, and a Mills trade would have to bring back a guard.

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    Why did Sa guarantee LMAs deal? If they aren’t trading him they could have cleared nearly 20m off books.

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    Why did Sa guarantee LMAs deal? If they aren’t trading him they could have cleared nearly 20m off books.
    Because they would rather play him? Like I'd be pretty annoyed if the Spurs waived Aldridge, even if his deal were entirely non-guaranteed. Dude is their best player.

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    Gotta root for the Bucks to land him then, even though I'm not sure they have enough to get SAC to sign off on their part of the deal. I'd be curious to see if the Spurs could work a DeRozan swap into the trade.

    SAS in: Bagley, Lopez
    SAS out: DeRozan

    MKE in: Bogdanovic
    MKE out: Lopez, Divencienzo (or whatever)

    SAC in: DeRozan, Divencienzo (o como quiera)
    SAC out: Bogdanovic, Bagley

    Spurs get a young PF as the price to eating Lopez' deal. They'd have to trade away Aldridge, but maybe they'd've already done it as part of an earlier deal.
    The Bucks get their guy. No big deal.
    I've heard the Kings want to rebuild, but this seems like a cheap enough deal to try to go for it another year.

    Let's say for some reason that Charlotte hops up and grabs Wiseman at 1. GS trades Wiggins and 2 for LMA and 11. Spurs draft Edwards at 2. Then the Spurs do this trade, draft Woodard at 41 and basically call it a night (though Mills and Gay trades are almost certainly on the table). This would be their roster:

    Murray, Mills,
    Edwards, White, Weatherspoon
    Johnson, Walker, Woodard
    Bagley, Gay, Samanic
    Lopez, Poeltl, Lyles

    Not the worst team, though Lyles or Gay would definitely have to go, and a Mills trade would have to bring back a guard.
    No reason to keep White in that scenario. They could probably get something decent for him. If he's going to be sent back to the bench and minutes limits then better to move him on instead of paying him what he'll get on an offer sheet

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    Because they would rather play him? Like I'd be pretty annoyed if the Spurs waived Aldridge, even if his deal were entirely non-guaranteed. Dude is their best player.
    There is no reason to play him without putting in effort to win now. If that won’t do that then trade him. Otherwise clearing books was right move. Keeping him one more year was the worst option Imo

    If you aren’t trying to win and aren’t extending him clear the books.

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    Probably nothing but Kyle Kuzma deleted/deactivated his Twitter, trade rumors bothering him? Or he’s getting traded lol

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    No reason to keep White in that scenario. They could probably get something decent for him. If he's going to be sent back to the bench and minutes limits then better to move him on instead of paying him what he'll get on an offer sheet
    I'd much rather they move Murray for the long-term financial benefits. I don't disagree though. The Spurs might be able to turn him into another first-rounder to use on Lewis or Maxey and get four cheap years while Murray's contract tolls.

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    There is no reason to play him without putting in effort to win now. If that won’t do that then trade him. Otherwise clearing books was right move. Keeping him one more year was the worst option Imo

    If you aren’t trying to win and aren’t extending him clear the books.
    No. That doesn't make sense. You don't have to either be horse-whipping to a le or hemorrhaging talent. The Spurs have no reason to waive Aldridge when they can just not sign him next year. There's zero harm in not tanking.

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    Spurs better not sit on their asses while other teams are making moves. Do something, please

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    No. That doesn't make sense. You don't have to either be horse-whipping to a le or hemorrhaging talent. The Spurs have no reason to waive Aldridge when they can just not sign him next year. There's zero harm in not tanking.
    There’s nothing good that comes from it. It makes total sense. Sa is in purgatory and need a direction. Have for years.

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    Spurs better not sit on their asses while other teams are making moves. Do something, please
    Gut feeling? The Spurs went into negotiations today as one of those buyers, not as a seller. They probably thought they'd get Paul for expirings at worst or that 11 would blow everyone else out of the water in Holiday negotiations. Now that most of those guys are gone, PATFO is down to looking at Hayward or Gordon and if that's worth 11 (it's not). They might pivot into sellers by the draft. Or they might hope to get small sips of value as the third team in some of the few huge moves left on the market. Having big expirings that can play makes them a useful trade partner for all three roles (buyer, seller, broker).

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    There’s nothing good that comes from it. It makes total sense. Sa is in purgatory and need a direction. Have for years.
    I mean, I've been watching their games. I'm assuming you have too. I really enjoyed 2018. 2019 was okay too, though all of the young players being injured sucked. This year was marred by Forbes, but I still thought it was fine. Obviously I have my idea on how they should improve. But I don't think them cutting Aldridge is close to a good strategy. Pissing away talent isn't a "direction" any team needs to follow.

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    Gut feeling? The Spurs went into negotiations today as one of those buyers, not as a seller. They probably thought they'd get Paul for expirings at worst or that 11 would blow everyone else out of the water in Holiday negotiations. Now that most of those guys are gone, PATFO is down to looking at Hayward or Gordon and if that's worth 11 (it's not). They might pivot into sellers by the draft. Or they might hope to get small sips of value as the third team in some of the few huge moves left on the market. Having big expirings that can play makes them a useful trade partner for all three roles (buyer, seller, broker).
    They are alarmingly stupid and out of touch if they thought this. Signs of that all over like signing Pau to a horrendous deal and not even getting a CP meeting.

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    I mean, I've been watching their games. I'm assuming you have too. I really enjoyed 2018. 2019 was okay too, though all of the young players being injured sucked. This year was marred by Forbes, but I still thought it was fine. Obviously I have my idea on how they should improve. But I don't think them cutting Aldridge is close to a good strategy. Pissing away talent isn't a "direction" any team needs to follow.
    In a bubble, no. But that’s what letting him walk for nothing is anyways.

    At least with cleared books you can be opportunistic

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    So Kings basically trade Bogdan for DiVencenzo

    Huh

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