official offseason thread

[objective]

Gut feeling? The Spurs went into negotiations today as one of those buyers, not as a seller. They probably thought they'd get Paul for expirings at worst or that 11 would blow everyone else out of the water in Holiday negotiations. Now that most of those guys are gone, PATFO is down to looking at Hayward or Gordon and if that's worth 11 (it's not). They might pivot into sellers by the draft. Or they might hope to get small sips of value as the third team in some of the few huge moves left on the market. Having big expirings that can play makes them a useful trade partner for all three roles (buyer, seller, broker).

I am dubious of Pop being willing to go along with adding Hayward due to political differences, provided Pop is aware of them.

[DavidTheGoliath]

So Kings basically trade Bogdan for DiVencenzo

Huh

those are good players that the bucks are getting. Giannis should stay imo

[Degoat]

Good for the Bucks, rather them win

[DPG21920]

So Kings basically trade Bogdan for DiVencenzo

Huh

Good player way cheaper.

[PhantomDashCam]

Would Spurs trade Aldridge, Gay and 11 for Hayward, Kanter and Boston’s 3 first rounders?

[DPG21920]

I mean how many stand pat be stuck in purgatory seasons do you need?

[Robz4000]

I mean how many stand pat be stuck in purgatory seasons do you need?

As many as Pop wants apparently.

[DPG21920]

SA has been lapped last 5 years.

Dallas is better and a brighter future.
MEM is better and a brighter future.
NO is better and a brighter future.
Okc is better and a brighter future.
Suns are better and a brighter future.
Denver is better and a brighter future.

They cannot do nothing themselves into a better future. They need a direction and creativity and a SEVERE change of approach. They are a bottom of the barrel front office for about 5 years now and it’s getting worse.

Nothing anyone can say changes that fact at the moment.

[rankingtear]

In a bubble, no. But that’s what letting him walk for nothing is anyways.

At least with cleared books you can be opportunistic

You keep saying clear their books, they are still above the cap if they let him walk.

[Collins21]

SA has been lapped last 5 years.

Dallas is better and a brighter future.
MEM is better and a brighter future.
NO is better and a brighter future.
Okc is better and a brighter future.
Suns are better and a brighter future.
Denver is better and a brighter future.

They cannot do nothing themselves into a better future. They need a direction and creativity and a SEVERE change of approach. They are a bottom of the barrel front office for about 5 years now and it’s getting worse.

Nothing anyone can say changes that fact at the moment.

Nah this deserves push back. I can bet you that OKC, Memphis or NO won't be better than San Antonio this year even if they stay the same. If buy some chance that they are better what does that say about young guys y'all worship? there will be no Bryn or Marco this year so the young guys y'all love so much have to step up bottom line.

[TheCerebral1]

SA has been lapped last 5 years.

Dallas is better and a brighter future.
MEM is better and a brighter future.
NO is better and a brighter future.
Okc is better and a brighter future.
Suns are better and a brighter future.
Denver is better and a brighter future.

They cannot do nothing themselves into a better future. They need a direction and creativity and a SEVERE change of approach. They are a bottom of the barrel front office for about 5 years now and it’s getting worse.

Nothing anyone can say changes that fact at the moment.

I will say for the first time in three years the front office are showing signs that the ship won't right itself. They are a perpetual 9-10th place finisher with this roster at best. We do not have a bonafide star. We don't have the depth, or creativity. We have a passive jump shooting big, who is a solid player and a bull chucking moron who is as average as they come.

[DPG21920]

You keep saying clear their books, they are still above the cap if they let him walk.

Nope. Not if he was waived and Lyles and Jakob waived/renounced along with other free agents.

[Robz4000]

Nah this deserves push back. I can bet you that OKC, Memphis or NO won't be better than San Antonio this year even if they stay the same. If buy some chance that they are better what does that say about young guys y'all worship? there will be no Bryn or Marco this year so the young guys y'all love so much have to step up bottom line.

OKC is literally swimming in picks for the next five years, NO has one of the brightest rising stars this league has seen since Lebron (albeit I think he's out of the league in 5 years if he doesn't drop weight), and Memphis has their own star duo in Ja Morant and JJJ. The Spurs' youth is nice but none of them are projected to be stars (Walker/KJ could develop into stars).

Forgot to mention OKC also has SGA who is gonna be special in a few years.

[DPG21920]

Nah this deserves push back. I can bet you that OKC, Memphis or NO won't be better than San Antonio this year even if they stay the same. If buy some chance that they are better what does that say about young guys y'all worship? there will be no Bryn or Marco this year so the young guys y'all love so much have to step up bottom line.

MEM had a better record than SA all year what do you mean? NO too for most part and Zion didn’t play a lot.

Every team I listed except No has a better record and much better future too. No had a better record much of the season and has a trove of picks.

This wasn’t opinion. It was fact.

[rankingtear]

Nope. Not if he was waived and Lyles and Jakob waived/renounced along with other free agents.

You get 12 million and lost 3 rotation players. Then what?

[DPG21920]

You get 12 million and lost 3 rotation players. Then what?

We miss the playoffs (again), get a better pick and have the ability to absorb deals in a trade with sending less out in return for picks? Sounds better than missing playoffs and having none of that

[Robz4000]

Only teams I can immediately think of that don't have a brighter future than SA are the Rockets, Bulls, Kings (nice prospects but truly awful FO/ownership), Hornets, T'Pups, Knicks, and Pistons.

[DPG21920]

Only teams I can immediately think of that don't have a brighter future than SA are the Rockets, Bulls, Kings (nice prospects but truly awful FO/ownership), Hornets, T'Pups, Knicks, and Pistons.

In the West and especially in their own division SA has been lapped.

[Collins21]

MEM had a better record than SA all year what do you mean? NO too for most part and Zion didn’t play a lot.

Every team I listed except No has a better record and much better future too. No had a better record much of the season and has a trove of picks.

This wasn’t opinion. It was fact.

Ok so you're saying all three of the those teams will have a better record this year correct?

[DPG21920]

Ok so you're saying all three of the those teams will have a better record this year correct?

I’m saying in the most recent season all of the teams I listed had a better record (except NO who melted down in bubble) while at the same time having better youth and more assets.

[Robz4000]

Ok so you're saying all three of the those teams will have a better record this year correct?

OKC will be worse by design but the other two will be better.

[DPG21920]

OKC will be worse by design but the other two will be better.

And more importantly SA won’t be appreciably better than any of them by a spread that justifies the gulf in talent + future.

[PhantomDashCam]

And now official...

[Robz4000]

So what does the Bucks roster look like?

Antetokounmpo
Middleton
Holiday
Bogdanovich
Lopez

Korver
Connaughton
??????

Solid SL but lacking in depth.

[Degoat]

I guess bucks aren’t interested in Patty mills anymore lol