A team with DeRozan & Wiggins as a starting tandem would be a disaster. Weak defense & weak three point shooting at both wing positions in 2021 is just not a thing a team interested in success attempts to do.
I don't think the Spurs should be that interested in "success" in 2021. They're a rebuilding team that should be focused on developing their young guys and building for the future.
There isn't a trade (at least not one that this FO would be capable of executing) that would raise what their current ceiling is: a 7-10 seed in the Western Conference.
I agree that developing the young guys is priority #1-- but still having DeRozan on the team is a direct impediment to that.
There isn't a trade (at least not one that this FO would be capable of executing) that would raise what their current ceiling is: a 7-10 seed in the Western Conference.
DeRozan really isn’t the problem imo, he played great in the bubble with the youngsters, it’s having LMA and Patty on the team that’s the problem
I think it is a bad idea for the Spurs to take Wiggins' contract. Dude is one of the laziest defenders among highly paid players, has a poor shot selection and is clearly among the most overpaid players in the league. If Spurs want to trade up the draft, I dont think a Wiggins trade with the Warriors will cut it. They will have to get a good pick at 11, considering there aren't other contenders willing to take on a veteran like Aldridge and wish for a separate trade for him outside of the draft.
After the frustration of DeMar, I can't see taking back Wiggins being good for our mental health. And considering giving up White is nuts to me, especially if the rest of the league doesn't see value in him (meaning we get back even less for him), because he may be our best player.
The idea that DeRozan "played great" in the bubble is fantasy. Derrick White and KJ were the leaders in +/- by far, and DeRozan was his typical self, putting up empty numbers.
I thought he played much better by taking less of a dominant role in the first 3 quarters, and in the 4th, he actually didn't choke. We could argue that he sucked less, but to me, this was peak DeRozan, for good or bad. Not someone I want on the team longterm for his high salary, but I don't think he was worse.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. But I think you're misunderstanding me when I say the ultimate problem lies elsewhere. Hint - he isn't a player
+/- doesn’t tell the whole story, Patty mills led the team in the plus minus last year
That's partially because our starting lineup was trash and the bench was constantly having to dig out of the holes that were left for them.
You can only think that if you haven't looked at the cap situation. Yes, there is a perfectly good reason to include someone else, and Murray is a great candidate for that.
The narrative throughout Pop's tenure has been that, outside of our All Stars, most players on the team are really scrubs that Pop has made look good in the system. That narrative has been propagated by the media for well over a decade and many teams around the league have bought into it. So, when people outside our fanbase think of Derrick White, they don't see a guy who scored over 30 points in Game 3 vs. the Nuggets a year ago. They see a guy who was deservedly benched in a Game 7 in favor of more minutes for a washed-up Patty Mills and Bryn Forbes. Of course, he's better than that and it's unfair but we have to be real about it. He's not a star at this point in his career and he isn't in a position where he's as marketable as Covington. No way we get better than a 16th pick for him.
Roco is the ultimate plug and play guy. You can put him in any system and he will be successful. His game, (3 and D) isn’t predicated on touches, plays being run for him and is an analytics darling.
Agree that D. White at the top of his game is the better player.
However, not to sound like an oxymoron, Roco is the more valuable in today’s NBA because of his skills and physical profile.
It is why so many archetypes on a variation of 3 and D are slated to go in the top 20 of the draft.
Trading one of Gay or Patty as part of the Wiggins trade gives them another important asset - if not a helpful bench piece, both are valuable in that they’re decently-sized contracts that can help Golden State make another trade.
Because they’re capped out and likely don’t care too much about the tax, giving them a $12.5-$14.5mm contract opens up a lot of possibilities for a future trade ($17.5-$19.5mm of incoming salary). They’d have to move back Looney in that kind of trade.
Murray has a similar contract, and GS may push for him instead as he may bring back more value in a trade in a few months.
If moving Mills or Gay can help the Spurs keep 11 by sweetening the deal for GS, you do it every time.
On edit, forgot they still have the Iguodala trade exception for another week... so could theoretically use that instead of moving out Looney, though would have to be executed as two separate trades.
As much as I like White, despise Wiggins and am something of a Wiseman skeptic, this would be tough to turn down . . .
To Hawks: DeRozan, 11
To Warriors: Aldridge, White
To Spurs: Wiggins, 2, 6
Lyles/Gay/Samanic
Wiggins/Johnson or Walker
Wiseman/Poeltl
Walker or Johnson/Mills
Murray/Haliburton or Hayes
Tempting. But losing White would be a blow.
And I can't see ATL going for DeMar.
I value White more than the 6th pick probably honestly.
I'd do that deal
I get it, but sentimentality shouldn't interfere with practicality. The reality is, he's 26, this doesn't look like a quick fix and Haliburton and to a lesser extent Hayes are both similar and have the added benefits of being 6 and 7 years younger respectively, while also not needing to be significantly paid for 4 years.
I’d do it as well. Good trade.
I like White more than what I think Halliburton and Hayes will become.
I don't have much worry about paying him, it's not like they'll be in tax trouble after this year, and it's not like they'll lose out on free agents with so little going for them. But also, paying him now just means you can trade him later. Jrue couldn't get his team to the playoffs and somehow was worth a billion unprotected first round picks.
Having White around would be better for developing Wiseman, who will need all the help he can get.
I get it too- it seems like something that might need to happen (including White) to get deals done Im just saying I’m not in love with it because you are swapping youth for youth somewhat.
I want ideally to add onto youth but I get it.
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