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It would make sense to wait.
No point in making the trade to get Wiseman only to have Charlotte give up something to jump to #1
i'm beginning to wonder if the Spurs have something in place with the Warriors depending on who is taken at #1
It would make sense to wait.
No point in making the trade to get Wiseman only to have Charlotte give up something to jump to #1
While true I find it hard to believe SA loves Wiseman so much and only Wiseman that they would pass on getting another player at 2 because he’s not there when we know they are looking to deal LMA anyways...
If Spurs want to have Wiseman, than it means Poeltl is already gone. There is no sense having both of them, unless Poeltl is guaranteed the starting spot and Wiseman as Back Up, which i dont believe is something wiseman wants.
I rather have the Spurs draft someone like Patrick Williams, who seems to be a Wing Defender. Something the Spurs need desperatly.
Again, I think Spurs fans have huge misconceptions of what trades are supposed to do. White being the best of the Spurs' young players doesn't mean he should be dealt last. It just means his asking price is higher. Trying to trade away your bad players or the ones asking out is how you get hosed by opposing GMs constantly. The Spurs should be looking to trade FOR players and be unafraid of paying the price for guys they believe in. White being a longshot to become the third-best player on a le team (which probably not in the modern NBA if we're being honest), doesn't mean anything on its own. That won't get it done. Part of the Spurs rebuilding has to be making quick and accurate decisions on their young players and turning over the ones outside the top two or three for more chances. The goal should not be to pay all of the good ones and dump all of the bad ones. That's how you end up being capped out and mediocre.
Some caveats: I suggested that the Spurs might look to trade White within the context of them signing another PG to at least a three-year deal to back up a starting Murray. That scenario is incompatible with one where White is this lower-level star with great intangibles ala Kyle Lowry. In that scenario the Spurs specifically invested way more in other guards and would need to figure out who to keep along with Murray and Teague. Cashing out on White or Walker (since yes, the quote was truncated to make it seem like it was just White) makes sense there because one of them wouldn't be in the rotation with DeRozan replaced with Teague (who again has to be signed to a three-year deal) and Reddish.
If White legit has potential to be a third star, then the Spurs have to figure out how to come away with something in 2021's off-season. People keep talking about the path to another le being through the draft. I believe this is an incomplete plan. By far the fastest way to a le is to acquire stars in trades and free agency. I think a good rule of thumb is for one of the team's top three players to come from the draft, one from a trade and one through free agency. Ideally, you draft the best player, sign the second best and trade for the third. That's the cheapest and most secure. For the Spurs, though, they're best path toward quickly becoming a contender is to have White as the third-best player, sign the best player in free agency and then use contracts like 11 (who'd be a player coming off his rookie year), Murray and Poeltl to acquire the second-best. Something like signing George coming off his disgraced role as Leonard's and trading for Embiid after Morey runs him out of town. Is that a likely plan? Not very much at all. Is that a better plan than winning through the draft? Definitely.
Keep Poeltl in the interim, then if/when Wiseman develops into a 30+ mpg clear cut starter, shop him at that point and look for more of a stretch five to backup.
Signing the best player on a contender or good team is not realistic in a non glamour market.
I'd like Williams at 2 if Wiseman is gone, but wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs have only one target
I don't know about Poeltl.
He only averaged 26 minutes a game starting in the bubble. He just gets too fatigued and commits some dumb fouls.
And Wiseman is coming from a year of no basketball and only 69 college minutes, no summer league, and a truncated camp and pre-season. He probably will have a very steep learning curve, I wouldn't be surprised if he and Poeltl would split minutes pretty evenly or even in Poeltl's favor. Starting Poeltl year one or at least through the all-star break while Wiseman gets up to speed
If the Spurs end up with Wiseman, I think you re-sign Poetl for 2yrs. You'll have to overpay on a per year basis (probably 10-12mil) but that's probably the total amount of $ he's looking at anyways even with a 3 or 4yr deal on another team.
Yep, I think Jakob starts and Wiseman learns behind him... Jakob would get moved next off-season most likely.
Ready to be 🐐’d
I had a su ion that LMA was held out of the bubble for reasons other than those stated. His surgery was only arthroscopic, and it had a couple of months to heal.
Spurs just did a LMA video fwiw on Twitter. Interviewed him about the draft.
That’s not a good sign on us trading him Imo lol
Guys to watch are Mills, Gay, Murray and White.
If LMA wants to go out a Spur, I’m 100% on board assuming he take a sizable pay cut after this year. I figured he want to go elsewhere these couple of productive years. Guy is a HOFer and a good teammate.
I am not expecting the Spurs to make any moves and will be pleasantly surprised if they did. Not sure how much legs LMA, #11 for Warriors #2, Wiggins has. Warriors are stupid though if they don't trade their pick and the Wiggins contract. They should be in win now mode. LMA would be a beast for them. If the Spurs/Warriors deal happens it will be after we find out what player gets picked at #1. Spurs must want Wiseman. So if he goes to Minny the deal is off imo.
Damned straight. He should be a good player for a few more years, and the team isn't going to be doing anything until/unless they get a young stud. Keep him and draft a big behind him. Let Poeltl walk and trade DMDR for some prospects.
White
Walker
Johnson
(Young PF)
Aldridge
That would be my ideal starting unit for the next few years.
Not necessarily. It could be their way of saying farewell, no hard feelings.
I love the idea of Robinson, Duncan, and LMA mentoring the next group of young bigs. I still think he is being traded and I hope he comes back to the fold when it’s all done.
Without knowing anything about Wiseman, the idea of building around a center in 2020 doesn't excite me.
Probably why we are even talking about the possibility of trading up to get him cause if he was that good teams would have him number one or not even entertain the thought of trading the pick. I am still not sure it will be Wiseman if we do get the number two I just have a feeling it will be someone else.
A two year overpay is meaningless in FA (so long as you either don’t mind being in the tax, or can manage to stay below it). Spurs aren’t using cap space this summer anyway, and he becomes an expiring next summer.
A third year and an overpay is what worries me.
I agree. I don’t think Wiseman is their guy.
The thing is - we don't have to build around Wiseman, even if we trade up for him. Considering he's raw, and hasn't played organized ball in a year, it's quite unlikely that he takes the Spurs anywhere next season, where a masterful tankjob by the FO could net us a top lottery pick, which we could actually build around, alongside Wiseman and our existing core. That's the beauty of the deal; it really accelerates a rebuild if Wiseman turns out to be the real deal. I've heard about some very nice wings going on next years' draft, and that is the type of player you build around in 2020.
What if TD stepped down so he'd have more time to focus exclusively on mentoring and working with Wiseman to build his game?
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