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    If the spurs were picking higher they probably could of pulled this trade off. 2-11 is too big of a drop for g.st
    That's why there's a salary dump. This whole thing spins on whether you think Wiggins has positive value.

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    If the spurs were picking higher they probably could of pulled this trade off. 2-11 is too big of a drop for g.st
    Or, if Golden State moves from 2 to 4 or 2 to 6 before swapping with Spurs.

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    If the spurs were picking higher they probably could of pulled this trade off. 2-11 is too big of a drop for g.st
    Basically, to offload Wiggins it would normally require at least a couple of firsts. Instead, the Spurs are offering to take him on in exchange for Aldridge and to trade up 9 spots.

    I think its a good deal. The save a lot of money, add a good player and stay in the lottery instead of losing multiple picks.

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    Basically, to offload Wiggins it would normally require at least a couple of firsts. Instead, the Spurs are offering to take him on in exchange for Aldridge and to trade up 9 spots.

    I think its a good deal. The save a lot of money, add a good player and stay in the lottery instead of losing multiple picks.

    Dont get me wrong,its a good deal fo sa. Which is why i dint think it will happen.Getting the #2 pick for lma is as good as the spurs could hope for. It just seems if spurs were picking a little higher or lma was a few years younger spurs could probably pull this deal off.Probably a day late and a dollar short for sa

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    LMA + 11 for Wiggins and #2 is such a steal for the Dubs

    They become instant favorites to ring next season, still have a lottery pick, and get rid of Wiggins' terrible contract. It'd be hilarious if this re ed FO gets conned in having to sweeten the deal any further.

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    LMA + 11 for Wiggins and #2 is such a steal for the Dubs

    They become instant favorites to ring next season, still have a lottery pick, and get rid of Wiggins' terrible contract. It'd be hilarious if this re ed FO gets conned in having to sweeten the deal any further.
    They would add in Derrick White and 2 future first round picks.

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    LMA + 11 for Wiggins and #2 is such a steal for the Dubs

    They become instant favorites to ring next season, still have a lottery pick, and get rid of Wiggins' terrible contract. It'd be hilarious if this re ed FO gets conned in having to sweeten the deal any further.
    I believe.. I believe...

    Any chance of shopping Demar plus to get Deni Avdija?

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    LMA + 11 for Wiggins and #2 is such a steal for the Dubs

    They become instant favorites to ring next season, still have a lottery pick, and get rid of Wiggins' terrible contract. It'd be hilarious if this re ed FO gets conned in having to sweeten the deal any further.
    If they want anymore than that just hang up on them tbh. I'm cool with the Sours holding on to LMA as long as DePression is traded tonight.

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    If they want anymore than that just hang up on them tbh. I'm cool with the Sours holding on to LMA as long as DePression is traded tonight.
    Yup, I'm hanging up the phone if Meyers asks for more. But knowing Pop, they'll just need to 3way Kerr in with some ass-kissing to get White & Lonnie part of the deal.

    Sorry brah, I'd say chances of Depression getting traded at all is < 5%.

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    Yup, I'm hanging up the phone if Meyers asks for more. But knowing Pop, they'll just need to 3way Kerr in with some ass-kissing to get White & Lonnie part of the deal.

    Sorry brah, I'd say chances of Depression getting traded at all is < 5%.

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    Basically, to offload Wiggins it would normally require at least a couple of firsts. Instead, the Spurs are offering to take him on in exchange for Aldridge and to trade up 9 spots.

    I think its a good deal. The save a lot of money, add a good player and stay in the lottery instead of losing multiple picks.
    Yup. That was my logic 3 months ago.

    1) Position of need
    2) Saves lots of money for GS
    3) Actually a better player on top of saving money


    And now that Jokic and DEN have risen to real threats? It’s not just AD. LMA is a critical piece and opportunity for GS.

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    If a big name free agent wants to sign with Spurs, you can attach a pick to him and move him. It's not a big deal. And it's better to have one or two large contracts on payroll in case you need those contracts to make a trade work. Wiggins' deal really isn't a problem.
    Well the easiest way to sign a big name free agent is to...just have enough money to do so...

    Wiggins deal could absolutely be a problem if it comes down to the service time of whatever max player the spurs would try to sign that we know they want...since that is what dictates how large the players max could be...

    If you did not sign Wiggins, then you just let LMA, Derozan, Gay, and Mills walk...depending on what you pay derrick white and the service times of the players you are trying to get, that could be 2 max slots...

    So yeah Wiggins contract could be the difference between two max slots and none...

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    Looney would likely be involved to off-set salary.
    That’s not enough. Looney only makes a fraction of what Wiggins does. Seems like GS might be trying for leverage. Maybe they thought they could leverage #11, and recent trades weakened their position? That Jrue Holiday trade was ridiculous. Anyway, they are asking us to eat about $70M in salary. That’s a lot.

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    Well the easiest way to sign a big name free agent is to...just have enough money to do so...

    Wiggins deal could absolutely be a problem if it comes down to the service time of whatever max player the spurs would try to sign that we know they want...since that is what dictates how large the players max could be...

    If you did not sign Wiggins, then you just let LMA, Derozan, Gay, and Mills walk...depending on what you pay derrick white and the service times of the players you are trying to get, that could be 2 max slots...

    So yeah Wiggins contract could be the difference between two max slots and none...
    Well, I would say the odds of finding a good player/star player in the draft are greater than finding a that in free agency. Besides that, bird in the hand. Getting the #2 pick is valuable and it still doesn’t kill your chances at landing said Fa (makes it harder though). However, if you don’t trade for #2 or whatever and have the capspace you definitely run the risk of no draft pick and no free agent.

    It’s simple IMO
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    LMA + 11 for Wiggins and #2 is such a steal for the Dubs

    They become instant favorites to ring next season, still have a lottery pick, and get rid of Wiggins' terrible contract. It'd be hilarious if this re ed FO gets conned in having to sweeten the deal any further.
    This deal isn’t a bad deal for the spurs. I personally would prefer subs ute in Murray or Walker and keep #11 but it’s not bad as it is.

    what would be much worse is standing pat and doing nothing and then taking Poku or meladon with #11. Which is likely what will happen today.

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    The rumor is that they'd take Wiseman with the intention of trading back, it's possible but I still think they'd go with Ball.
    I don’t think Ball would have worked out for them if he didn’t have an understanding he was #1. They need him a lot more than a backup center behind KAT.

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    Well the easiest way to sign a big name free agent is to...just have enough money to do so...

    Wiggins deal could absolutely be a problem if it comes down to the service time of whatever max player the spurs would try to sign that we know they want...since that is what dictates how large the players max could be...

    If you did not sign Wiggins, then you just let LMA, Derozan, Gay, and Mills walk...depending on what you pay derrick white and the service times of the players you are trying to get, that could be 2 max slots...

    So yeah Wiggins contract could be the difference between two max slots and none...
    No legit max players are going to sign with the spurs. We’ll just be left with a ton of money and overspending on ok nba starters. Much like what happened to the Knicks. Only way to get great players in SA is through the draft or trades.

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    If by the end of the day, the Spurs get any of Wiseman, WCJ, Deni Advija, by either trading LMA, Demar and picks, it would be great.

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    Or, if Golden State moves from 2 to 4 or 2 to 6 before swapping with Spurs.
    I think the Spurs want Wiseman, and he won’t even be there at 4.

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    I think the Spurs want Wiseman, and he won’t even be there at 4.
    I think are about as high on OO and Deni as Wiseman...not quite but close...

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    No legit max players are going to sign with the spurs. We’ll just be left with a ton of money and overspending on ok nba starters. Much like what happened to the Knicks. Only way to get great players in SA is through the draft or trades.
    I would caution you in saying its the only way. Spurs landed LMA in free agency. Sure, there are some reasons people may say “that’s an anomaly” but if you build an exciting team and can pay the most? You can land free agents.

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    If by the end of the day, the Spurs get any of Wiseman, WCJ, Deni Advija, by either trading LMA, Demar and picks, it would be great.
    Spurs fans shouldn't expect anything more than the 11th pick. The front office has never been known to be very good or aggressive when it comes to trades. Would it be great if they were able to maneuver LMA for the 2nd pick? Sure but don't count on it.

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    I would caution you in saying its the only way. Spurs landed LMA in free agency. Sure, there are some reasons people may say “that’s an anomaly” but if you build an exciting team and can pay the most? You can land free agents.
    To take issue with this: LMA isnt' a truly great player. He's not, to my mind, a guy who's a legitimate max (ie. a guy who's good enough to lead a championship team).

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    I think are about as high on OO and Deni as Wiseman...not quite but close...
    Just the thought of Deni, Lyle and Poeltl not to mention Luka as our future front court gives me the cringe

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    To take issue with this: LMA isnt' a truly great player. He's not, to my mind, a guy who's a legitimate max (ie. a guy who's good enough to lead a championship team).
    Sure. But by that definition theres what, maybe 3 of those guys?

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