Official 2020 Draft Day Thread (Begins at 7PM CST)

[Thomas82]

In other words LaMonster aint goin nowhere. He is the only inside scoring threat on the roster.

SMH

[phxspurfan]

They made positive moves so far with trades incoming.

Spurs gonna run it back by and large

[CGD]

Meh picks in a meh draft. Hopefully so free agency/trade action soon.

[DPG21920]

That's a foolish mantra. The past matters because it can be used as a roadmap to the future. How did those teams lap the Spurs? First, thinking that they did is dumb. None of those teams (outside of Dallas) have passed the summit of the hill yet. The Spurs went up, stayed up and then declined, and on the way down they ran into some other teams that have been partway up and falling down over and over. They've yet to complete one circuit, and still they've passed the Spurs? Makes no sense at all. If anything, going from Robinson to Duncan, to Parker, to Leonard was the Spurs lapping other teams since they got new stars without having to go back down to the start of the trail.

Anyway, we can dispense with that analogy. It matters that those teams floundered and eventually lucked into success. That shows how that is SA is going to be the next one of those teams, they'll probably have to do the same thing for a while. None of those clubs actively tanked. They specifically didn't pick a direction for years. They did none of the things you want the Spurs to do, yet you are holding them up as examples of what SA should already be, less than three months after missing the playoffs for the first time in more than 20 years. Seriously? It's actually sort of crazy that you believe these views you're holding are logically consistent. The "past doesn't matter"? How on Earth, then was SA ever supposed to pass your test. They are "worse" than those other teams. So of course in this snap shot they have a worse present and you don't allow for a future progression to be part of your analysis, so they have to have a worse future too.

What? No.

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BREAKING NEWS CELTICS PICK ANOTHER LIGHT SKINNED/PASTEY DUDE

The Town wouldn't have it any other way.

[phxspurfan]

Love this pick.

Gym superstar like 96/100 Bonner let's see it in a real game against other bench guards

But like others have said he's going to the G league and has to fight to even make it out of there

[DPG21920]

Where in my post did I specifically call this draft gold?

And what exactly are you ing about here? That spurs failed to trade their trash for another teams trash?

You’re not making sense. SA should have traded LMA and/or Ddr for something in this draft. Any pick in the 1st round.

[BackHome]

I All ready looking at mock drafts for 2021 - The Spurs need to start off terrible the upcoming season cause I think the NBA will shut down in Late January so don’t want to be in another bubble.

[Sugus]

That's a foolish mantra. The past matters because it can be used as a roadmap to the future. How did those teams lap the Spurs? First, thinking that they did is dumb. None of those teams (outside of Dallas) have passed the summit of the hill yet. The Spurs went up, stayed up and then declined, and on the way down they ran into some other teams that have been partway up and falling down over and over. They've yet to complete one circuit, and still they've passed the Spurs? Makes no sense at all. If anything, going from Robinson to Duncan, to Parker, to Leonard was the Spurs lapping other teams since they got new stars without having to go back down to the start of the trail.

Anyway, we can dispense with that analogy. It matters that those teams floundered and eventually lucked into success. That shows how that is SA is going to be the next one of those teams, they'll probably have to do the same thing for a while. None of those clubs actively tanked. They specifically didn't pick a direction for years. They did none of the things you want the Spurs to do, yet you are holding them up as examples of what SA should already be, less than three months after missing the playoffs for the first time in more than 20 years. Seriously? It's actually sort of crazy that you believe these views you're holding are logically consistent. The "past doesn't matter"? How on Earth, then was SA ever supposed to pass your test. They are "worse" than those other teams. So of course in this snap shot they have a worse present and you don't allow for a future progression to be part of your analysis, so they have to have a worse future too.

Agree wholeheartedly. What's with SpursTalk posters and being obsessed with the RIGHT NOW, dismissing everything that came before? What a strange holdup.

[ElNono]

This team sitting on LMA for so long makes no sense at all, tbh...

[Chinook]

What? No.

Sorry man. Yes. You've been really emotional about this. But your entire critique of the Spurs hasn't been based in logic but just in you not liking the choices they've made. While there are some objectively bad things in there like Carroll, most of the team's moves were logical but just had different priorities than you want. You seem to just WANT them to be good again and have no interest in them going through the slow process of decompressing and reshaping their entire organization. Had you cared about the past, you'd've seen that all of those teams went through similar processes before their current phases. They just didn't have the same highs to come down from.

[Mnky]

Spurs gonna run it back by and large

It would fit the bill, but I really think with all the Injuries and shake ups going on, the le is up for grabs.

Someone is going to think they can make a run and look at DDR and LMA and think they can push them over the line. DDR especially, with his expiring contract.

I have a feeling someone will gamble under pressure this year.

[DPG21920]

Spurs made poor decisions pre Kawhi asking out, awful decision when he was traded and then more terrible decisions post trade.

They need to bottom out more while getting as many assets as they can for the future.

If they refuse to take the best path at a minimum they need to do something to improve short term.

End of story and no matter what you want to debate - Sa is firmly behind all
Those teams either in win now, future and in a few cases both.

[DPG21920]

Agree wholeheartedly. What's with SpursTalk posters and being obsessed with the RIGHT NOW, dismissing everything that came before? What a strange holdup.

This isn’t about one year. It’s been down hill even pre Kawhi trade.

[Prime BEEF]

All those months of hype and now everybody is depressed as .

Yup. Now all hope is officially crushed lol

I enjoyed the trade speculations and discussions on which player to draft. Obviously knew the FO would screw it up but was still fun pre-draft. It is the going to be the only fun time of the year for spurs fans. Well also trade deadline. Trade deadline and pre-draft. That will be the peak “fun” times of every season for spurs fans for a long time.

[DPG21920]

Sorry man. Yes. You've been really emotional about this. But your entire critique of the Spurs hasn't been based in logic but just in you not liking the choices they've made. While there are some objectively bad things in there like Carroll, most of the team's moves were logical but just had different priorities than you want. You seem to just WANT them to be good again and have no interest in them going through the slow process of decompressing and reshaping their entire organization. Had you cared about the past, you'd've seen that all of those teams went through similar processes before their current phases. They just didn't have the same highs to come down from.

Literally the exact opposite. I want them to bottom out and sell off the non next 2 year parts for as many shots in the draft as possible. I’m fine being bad for years to come until we find or MEM DAL PHX NO foundation

[Robz4000]

This isn’t about one year. It’s been down hill even pre Kawhi trade.

Its been downhill since 2014 tbh.

[ElNono]

Sorry man. Yes. You've been really emotional about this. But your entire critique of the Spurs hasn't been based in logic but just in you not liking the choices they've made. While there are some objectively bad things in there like Carroll, most of the team's moves were logical but just had different priorities than you want. You seem to just WANT them to be good again and have no interest in them going through the slow process of decompressing and reshaping their entire organization. Had you cared about the past, you'd've seen that all of those teams went through similar processes before their current phases. They just didn't have the same highs to come down from.

How can you even argue about "the slow process of decompressing and reshaping their entire organization", when that's a choice too. And frankly, one they have not really taken on. Same coach, same FO, same old veterans, same betting on on same scrubs, etc.

They are bad choices because the returns have been objectively dismal.

I can't blame them when their hand was forced (ie: Kawhi, which indeed was a big deal), but outside of that, the FO is laying in the bed they made.

[SpurPadre]

Thought this might be okay, but then the more I looked at his game the more it looks like he will be lucky to ever see the NBA beyond the D-League.

I mean, ing Forbes has been starter on a playoff team, anything is possible.

[mo7888]

Spurs made poor decisions pre Kawhi asking out, awful decision when he was traded and then more terrible decisions post trade.

They need to bottom out more while getting as many assets as they can for the future.

If they refuse to take the best path at a minimum they need to do something to improve short term.

End of story and no matter what you want to debate - Sa is firmly behind all
Those teams either in win now, future and in a few cases both.

I expect them to do something to improve short-term now. It's obvious Pop want to make the playoff in what is probably his last year. I expect him to package a guard or two for a veteran. Maybe Gordon Hayward...

[tim_duncan_fan]

We are the Knicks now.

[ElNono]

The Spurs have choices all the time. Now, after the draft, there will be another choice to see if these picks see any floor time, how much, and how quickly they can elevate the franchise's game.

Hopefully they're given a chance in their first season.

[Sugus]

I expect them to do something to improve short-term now. It's obvious Pop want to make the playoff in what is probably his last year. I expect him to package a guard or two for a veteran. Maybe Gordon Hayward...

[Mugen]

How can you even argue about "the slow process of decompressing and reshaping their entire organization", when that's a choice too. And frankly, one they have not really taken on. Same coach, same FO, same old veterans, same betting on on same scrubs, etc.

They are bad choices because the returns have been objectively dismal.

I can't blame them when their hand was forced (ie: Kawhi, which indeed was a big deal), but outside of that, the FO is laying in the bed they made.

Nono, don't grade them based on results. Grade them on the basis that their logic was sound (even though it wasn't) and that they successfully drafted the most selfless franchise player in NBA history....Nono pls.

[poopbox]

I mean, it's not that hard to be better than Murray, and I don't really care if they're younger. The Spurs would do well to not get out of DJM's deal if they don't think he's going to a top-2 or -3 player in their coffers (right now, I have him at at best fourth behind White, Johnson and Vassell and personally behind Walker Poeltl and probably 41). Protecting that young core is the first priority. The second priority can easily be to be the best team the Spurs can be this year. That's in some way for the sake of Pop and the vets. But it's also for the sake of the team's culture and the young players growing up in it. Just as Miami didn't tank when they rebuild, so won't the Spurs.

I'm not down for making MKE- or even Portland-level trades. But you can argue it intersects the Spurs' goals of rebuilding and competing by moving Murray for a better-fitting piece that also lets them shed DJM's salary going forward.

Out of all the players you listed Dejounte is the only one with a all nba selection...having him behind Vassell who has played exactly 0 seconds of nba basketball is laughable...Poeltl doesn't do anything but set good screens, commit a bunch of fouls, and have some of the worst back and shoulder acne I have ever seen.

You not down for making MKE or Portland moves? That's fine, because right now we are making no moves. Probably just going to let 1 year veteran players walk for nothing in a market where virtually EVERY team is making some move to improve their team beyond the draft...