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Not that it pertains to us necessarily but, I think they are open to moving Fox and Bagley as well. They are in a strange position there...
Sacramento is odd, as usual. They didn't secure Harry Giles, so now he's an unrestricted FA, and rumor is they're looking to get younger and are open to trading Bjelica. Giles is a reclamation project after multiple knee surgeries but he's still only 22 and would be inexpensive. I think Bjelica would be a huge bargain-- his contract has one year left on it at $7mil.
Last edited by R. DeMurre; 11-20-2020 at 12:18 PM.
Not that it pertains to us necessarily but, I think they are open to moving Fox and Bagley as well. They are in a strange position there...
It'd be crazy to not give Fox and Haliburton a chance, but yeah, with Sacramento nothing surprises me.
i'm prepared to see what the spurs can do with LMA and DD back on the roster and the bubble standouts getting a crack and demonstrating themselves. i think that may give them a shot at making the playoffs as an 8th seed, depending on what happens to OKC and houston. worse case scenario, they get another late lottery pick and go into next season with more polished younger players and a ton of cap space (if they let poeltl and forbes go). a good chunk of this season will be impacted by COVID anyway so i have no problem with this outcome. so, i don't see any reason for the spurs to go after any bad contracts in an off-season that lacks any truly impactful FAs.
Indiana wants Hayward in a sign and trade and Boston will most likely get Myles Turner in return
I could see Jakob getting overpaid from another team and the Spurs signing Gasol for a year or 2. He would need to come off the bench as him and Aldridge would be a huge defensive liability. Aldridge is gonna have to accept playing center.
So they have to make a decision on Trey today. Which way does it go?
I think they bring him back and next week let chimezie walk.
That's a well-written defense of Poeltl. I basically agree with everything you wrote. In fact, I wouldn't even put a condition on him being a good finisher. It'd be nice if he dunked it more but his career field goal percentage is all we need to look at to verify the claim that he's a quality finisher.
But, still, he's not an elite center. He'll never become an elite center. He's not the modern type of floor spacing center who has value even when he's away from the action. At most, he's a pretty-good-if-that's-who-you-have starting center who will always be vastly underrated by the general population.
With Aldridge on the team, Poeltl's definitely not worth $10 million. That should be clear. However, even if the Spurs start a rebuild by trading away Aldridge and DeRozan, I just don't believe that Poeltl is worth $10 million in cap flexibility to a rebuilding team. Poeltl is a good part to a good team. On a rebuilding team, he might help keep things respectable ... but is that even a good thing? A) Losing in the short-term isn't a major concern to a rebuilding team. B) Poeltl has a known ceiling, so him getting minutes on a rebuilding team wouldn't unlock excess value. Compare that to someone like Lyles. I'm not a big Lyles fan but, hey, give him 30 MPG on a rebuilding team and it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he actually turns out to be a lot better than previously thought.
At the end of the day, a good comparison is Tiago Splitter. Peak Poeltl and Peak Splitter are just about the same level of player. Back in the summer of 2013, I was all for keeping Splitter at his $10 million price tag. For that team, he was a necessity and it would have been an absolute disaster to lose him. But now? On this team? In this situation? I can't co-sign on Poeltl getting $10 million. He's worth that amount of money to the right team (you could probably justify even $12 or $13 million, actually) but not the Spurs at this point in their life cycle, IMO. Sorry.
Oh, yeah, absolutely. That shouldn't need to be said ... but it does need to be said, given the strange decisions the FO has made in recent years. You don't let Poeltl walk if you follow that up by wasting your cap space. If the Spurs want to, for example, trade Aldridge and DeRozan for bad contracts attached to multiple draft picks, that's an acceptable plan. But in such a scenario where the cap space will disappear, then just go ahead and re-sign Poeltl.
I like Jerami Grant's game! If it were me, I would take him over Heyward. Grant may come cheaper & he has some "dog" in him as well, plus, Grant (26) is younger than Heyward (30).
Just looking at the headlines on Hoopshype & other sites this morning reinforces why some teams are where they are:
Magic interested in Westbrook
Hawks willing to spend on Bogdanovic
Kings regret big contracts to Barnes and Hield
Yeah, I've thought about that argument that if you sign Poeltl to a market value contract, it's justifiable because you could just trade him if you need the cap space. It makes some sense but it's too risky, IMO. Teams are already souring on traditional centers. If that accelerates, then you're stuck with a player who you have to attach draft picks to in order to salary dump. That's just worth the risk -- especially when the upside to re-signing him is limited in any of the most likely scenarios.
IMO, I didn't mention anything about max free agents.
I do have to better explain why cap room is important. That's a longer explanation that I'll probably turn into an article. Thanks.
Agree w OP. This team isnt a contender with Timmy, Parker and Manu and just needs some pieces. Currently its a cluster of PGs and unproven talent, underperforming vets and gaping holes in the front court, with no clear leadership. Best to keep options open and avoid overpaying or long term deals until some player/s emerge among our young guys and we figure out an iden y and direction to shoot for past 2021. Poeltl likely wont be a part of that future anyway.
We were close - I have been leading the Twitter charge at 8M or less for Poeltl or you let him walk. Same basic reasonings. It’s very surprising how much push back I’ve been getting on that...People really A) like Poeltl and/or B) don’t see what has happened to Centers values. Im surprised at how many people think he may land a 12M+ offer? I don’t think that’s coming but it’s possible.
What I will be very upset at is if they give out any deals in FA using MLE or whatever that exceed 1 year. If you aren’t going to trade DDR/LMA for picks to help your future, the BARE MINIMUM is to protect cap space as you said. I don’t care if some decent vet will help you push for the playoffs; if you aren’t willing to extend LMA and/or DDR then you ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT HAND OUT MORE THAN ONE YEAR DEALS for marginal low ceiling upgrades that are not part of a future.
Beyond that agree:
No Bryn
No Beli
No Metu
No Zeller
Ok with Lyles, but also good if he’s gone and Luka gets all his minutes, but my guess is Lyles is back.
Under no cir stances while LMA/DDR are on the team do you bring back Jakob for anything more than 8M. I’m fine letting him walk for anything that is not 1 year long honestly even though I like him.
Spurs NEED TO TRADE. At a minimum this roster is clunky and messy and Mills should have + value. Spurs have the guards to give him up and get something back. If DDR/LMA are here you can still trade Mills fix the roster.
My HOPE is they trade LMA and DDR for future assets (even if it’s just younger gambles and not picks). If they wait until the deadline they will have no value at all.
But dont mess up your cap space if you aren’t willing to do the above under any cir stances.
If we don't trade DDR and LMA, this is pointless
I'm with most of that but, it just doesn't make sense to me to play 'sorta' win now with DDR and LMA this year and hurt our draft pick position. I'd trade them like you said but, if we aren't doing that I could see this FO trading for either 1) a Vet that expires next summer or 2) a Vet they think they can trade for positive value next summer. I imagine with so many teams striking out of the premier FA's next summer a team holding the 'bag' and forced between overpaying for a mediocre FA or trading for a player on a decent contraft would choose the latter.
I’m fine getting a vet to help this season, but only if it’s a 1 year deal. If they aren’t trading DDR/LMA I want them to try and improve for this year - just not at the expense of eating cap space or having more dead salary like they seem to think is some great strategy.
I’m way less inclined to the logic of signing someone with hopes of trading them; sa sucks at trading and truly seems incapable of pulling off trades. They are a major outlier when it comes to the rest of the league with regards to trade frequency.
I was hoping Poodle would show something during the bubble but he was terrible he kinda got scared and definitely did not help his free agency status. As the NBA is going to small ball and as we are not close to a top 5 seed I would not sign him for anything over 8 mill.
timvp - here’s a perfect example of something that should be done. Thoughts:
Mills to Bucks for Robin Lopez + 2nd rounder. They could sign and trade Robin Lopez 3 years/39M (13M per) with only the first year guaranteed. It matched Mills salary, SA can let Poeltl walk and preserve cap space and have their one year replacement for Poeltl as well. Then waive Robin next season.
Robin agrees because he was making 5M so he gets a big one year deal and he gets right back into FA next year with more money.
Boom. Done.
Baynes is also 9 years older. We can't have two aging bigs on the floor.
Yes, we've sucked at getting trades done...we are an outlier but, I can't look at it from the standpoint of 'I'm not going to do something because the FO sucks at turning it into value'. If I have to consider moves based on a weak FO and assume they can't possibly improve then all we can do is let contracts expire and draft....because we aren't good at trades...we aren't good at signing FA's.... we draft well and that's it... so if we are only going play to our strengths well.... I just can't think that way myself...
Last edited by mo7888; 11-20-2020 at 02:26 PM.
I won’t be pissed if we resign Jakob but man hes soft... they should give him an incentive bonus if he dunks the ball over a certain amount of times during the season lol
Last edited by Degoat; 11-20-2020 at 02:28 PM.
Let all of our free agents go. None of them outside of maybe Poetl has a life on this team for long. We already replaced Forbes, so that's good.
Jakob best non elite center in the league? lol, the maximum i would pay him for his contract to be fair or positive would be 24/4
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