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    immunity is absurd. just hold them to a specific standard of care, ie as long as they adhere to state/local guidelines/ordinances, they can't be held liable. but an employer who cuts corners and needlessly exposes workers absolutely should be held liable if they get sick
    not how it works

    "hey boss I had close contact with someone who has COVID, i can't come in"

    boss

    "come in or your're fired"

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    not how it works

    "hey boss I had close contact with someone who has COVID, i can't come in"

    boss

    "come in or your're fired"
    ok. then 3 other coworkers get sick because the boss forced him in. boss should be on the hook

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    ok. then 3 other coworkers get sick because the boss forced him in. boss should be on the hook
    and he won't be if they have immunity based if you hold them to "strict standard of care" they aren't the ones who put the coworkers in harm's way it was the one who came in that did it.

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    and he won't be if they have immunity based if you hold them to "strict standard of care" they aren't the ones who put the coworkers in harm's way it was the one who came in that did it.
    if the boss forced an employee to come into work at the threat of termination, i think it would be fair to consider that to be a breach of his standard of care

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    TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan will compile a fresh 73.6 trillion yen ($708 billion) economic stimulus package to speed up the country’s recovery from its deep coronavirus slump, Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga said on Tuesday.

    The new package will include about 40 trillion yen in direct fiscal spending and initiatives targeted at reducing carbon emissions and boosting digital technologies, Suga said in a meeting with ruling party executives.

    Policymakers globally have unleashed a wall of monetary and fiscal stimulus to prevent a deep and prolonged recession as the coronavirus closed international borders and sent millions out of work. In the United States, a $908 billion coronavirus aid plan is currently under debate in Congress.


    Suga’s cabinet is set to endorse the stimulus package later on Tuesday, which would bring the combined value of coronavirus-related stimulus to about $3 trillion.

    Two previous packages this year worth a combined $2.2 trillion focused on dealing with the immediate strain on households and business from the pandemic.

    “We have compiled these measures to maintain employment, sustain business and restore the economy and open a way to achieve new growth in green and digital areas, so as to protect people’s lives and livelihoods,” Suga said at the meeting.


    The plan includes a 2-trillion yen fund to promote carbon neutrality by 2050, 1 trillion yen to accelerate digital transformation and 1.5 trillion yen in subsidies to support restaurants hurt by shortened trading hours due to COVID-19.

    Investment in digital and green initiatives is an area Suga has laid out as his key priorities.

    Japan’s economy, the world’s third-largest, rebounded in July-September from its worst postwar contraction in the second quarter, though many analysts expect a third wave of COVID-19 infections to keep any recovery modest.

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    if the boss forced an employee to come into work at the threat of termination, i think it would be fair to consider that to be a breach of his standard of care
    In a retail or service setting you'd have to prove that those coworkers got it from the employee and not the customer, in a different setting you'd have to prove that the patient zero was the one who came in sick.

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    In a retail or service setting you'd have to prove that those coworkers got it from the employee and not the customer, in a different setting you'd have to prove that the patient zero was the one who came in sick.
    thats why you hold them to a strict liability standard of care. if the employer did everything right but somebody gets sick at work, no liability. if the employer decides to cut corners, they'd be knowingly putting themself at risk

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    ^DOA

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    mutual aid


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    THE BLACKLIST

    Screened out by automated background checks,

    tenants who face eviction can be denied housing for years to come.


    Last year, Jona Perales was evicted from an apartment they shared with their stepdad in southwest Dallas after failing to pay rent.

    Since then,

    Perales has applied at hundreds of places—apartments, second-chance housing, rooms for rent—only to be denied.

    “The landlord must have put my name somewhere else or something, like a blacklist,” they say. “Like some sort of blacklist that I don’t know about.”

    In February, they moved into an extended-stay motel in Arlington.

    they couldn’t qualify for sick pay from their employer, Uber, and their account was suspended.

    As the pandemic spread across Texas, some cities passed eviction moratoriums intended to keep people like Perales sheltered—

    but those protections didn’t extend to motels.

    So Perales moved out of their room and began living in their car.

    In Texas, tenants who are evicted—because they cannot pay rent, because they don’t show up to court, or because they don’t know their rights—have

    little recourse when it comes to clearing their rental history.

    The federal Fair Credit Reporting Act allows tenant screening companies to access and report

    eviction court records for up to seven years,

    which means long after someone has moved out and gotten a new job or otherwise started to rebuild their financial life,

    an eviction will continue to haunt them.


    https://www.texasobserver.org/evictions-texas-housing



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    Occupancy Plunges to 70% at San Francisco Luxury Apartment Towers across from Twitter Headquarters: a Broad Phenomenon

    the occupancy rate of the iconic wrinkled-appearing “New York by Gehry” tower with 899 apartments in Manhattan had plunged from 98% in 2019 to 74% by September.

    This plunge in occupancy rate was the reason the $550 million loan, the only asset backing a “private-label” CMBS, had been put on the “servicers watchlist.”

    “Private label” means the CMBS are not guaranteed by taxpayers via Ginnie Mae, Fannie Mae, or Freddie Mac that after the Financial Crisis have waltzed energetically into issuing multifamily CMBS

    The taxpayer-guaranteed CMBS that are backed by high-rise apartment properties have the same problems as private label CMBS: plunging occupancy rates in certain markets.

    hotel and mall CMBS delinquency rates, despite widespread forbearance agreements, have shot up to 19.7% and 14.2% respectively.

    with occupancy rates this low and potentially still falling, landlords who want to sell and potential buyers appear to be too far apart, and lenders won’t lend.

    https://wolfstreet.com/2020/12/10/oc...er-phenomenon/



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    The PPP was operated concierge-style by banks for established customers.

    https://thecounter.org/mcdonalds-tac...oans-covid-19/

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    4 in 10 households report lower income than pre-pandemic

    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bus...imism-n1250604

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    Mnuchin throws monkey wrench in COVID-19 relief negotiations with paltry, cruel offer

    Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and two-time popular vote sore loser Donald Trump decided to step in and completely blow up ongoing congressional negotiations on coronavirus relief Tuesday

    , they would slash the federal unemployment benefits Congress has been talking about, and toss in a measly one-time $600 stimulus check per person.

    What we're seeing now from McConnell and from Mnuchin is nothing more than

    meddling, attempting to distract and

    delay to make sure things get as desperate as possible


    to try to

    force Democrats to swallow a sandwich at the last minute.

    All the while
    blaming Democrats.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/202...ry-cruel-offer




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    Why shielding businesses from coronavirus liability is a bad idea

    the modest liability exposure that does exist is important to ensuring businesses take reasonable coronavirus precautions as they resume normal operations.

    How not to be careless

    As a general matter, businesses are subject to civil liability for carelessness that causes injury to others.

    The law defines carelessness as a failure to exercise “reasonable care.”


    In applying this standard, courts consider several factors:




    If the answer to one or more of the questions is no,

    then a court may conclude that the business was careless and

    is subject to liability for damages to customers who suffered harm.


    https://theconversation.com/why-shie...ad-idea-151823



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    I wouldn't give McConnell that corporate immunity shield for anything less than a $1000 a month UBI for every citizen for all of 2021.

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    I wouldn't give McConnell that corporate immunity shield for anything less than a $1000 a month UBI for every citizen for all of 2021.
    And he'll happily lock us all out in the cold during a blizzard

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    I wouldn't give McConnell that corporate immunity shield for anything less than a $1000 a month UBI for every citizen for all of 2021.
    Make 2000/month and I agree

    650 USA billionaires now worth $4T



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    And he'll happily lock us all out in the cold during a blizzard
    He's going to do that anyways, what's the difference?

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    4 in 10 households report lower income than pre-pandemic

    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bus...imism-n1250604
    The cruelty of this pandemic is that the people who were struggling before the pandemic have mostly been hit the hardest, and people who were doing really well before it have largely recovered if not actually benefitted from it.

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    The PPP was operated concierge-style by banks for established customers.

    https://thecounter.org/mcdonalds-tac...oans-covid-19/
    Geewhiz, who could have seen that coming? LOL

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    That's a crock of . The bottom 44% don't pay any income tax. The top 10% (over $145,000) pay 70% of the income tax.

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    Baby formula tax is not income tax.

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