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    That's bad news for Spurs fans hoping for a playoff berth. Harden, even with the weird cast around him, is easily good enough to carry the Rockets into the postseason.
    Our path would be a lot clearer if Houston continued to implode, but it's looking less likely at this point. I expect them to be in the top 8 barring something crazy at this point.

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    This is what happens when you don't "raise" a star the right way. They grab you by the balls and they twist them. Probably why the Spurs have a high requirement for drafting high character guys.



    A lot of damning info on Harden in this article.

    THE HOUSTON ROCKETS' culture in the James Harden era, which bridges two owners and now four head coaches, might be best summed up by a former staffer's three words:

    "Whatever James wants."

    Unless they were on the front end of a back-to-back set, it was essentially a sure thing that the Rockets stayed overnight -- or even an extra day -- after games in Los Angeles, Phoenix and other road cities that rank among Harden's favorite stops.

    If the Rockets had two or three days between games, it was a good bet Harden would call for an off day and charter a private jet to party in Las Vegas or another city. He always gets an excused absence from the first practice after the All-Star break for the same reason.

    "Just James being James," those currently within the franchise say. But these cir stances are drastically different than at any previous point of the perennial All-Star's eight-year Houston tenure.

    Harden has pushed the Rockets to upgrade every offseason, saying he would want to be traded if they couldn't contend, sources said. And he had final say on things beyond just travel and practice schedules as well. He could call the shots on personnel moves, both on the roster and the coaching staff, a power he flexed to push for the firing of head coach Kevin McHale and departures of co-stars Dwight Howard and Chris Paul, sources said.

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    "Yeah, he's going to act up," a former Rockets staffer said.

    "He's never heard 'no' before."

    MULTIPLE ROCKETS OFFICIALS acknowledge that the entire organization has been "complicit" in the culture that has been created over the past eight years.

    "We knew who the boss of the organization was," a former Rockets assistant coach said. "That's just part of what the deal was when you go to Houston. The players, coaches, GM, owner all know.

    "I don't blame James. I blame the organization. It's not his fault. He did what they allowed him to do."

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    "If they have multiple days off, everybody knows: James is going to fly somewhere else and party," a member of last season's coaching staff said. "But he's going to come back and have a 50-point triple-double, so they're OK with it."

    But the lack of discipline and attention to detail hasn't been OK with Paul and Russell Westbrook, ultimately leading to breakups between Harden and those two stars.

    One of Paul's biggest beefs, sources said, was that Harden basically opted not to participate in the Rockets' offense when the ball wasn't in his hands, sometimes barely stepping over half court while spectating when Paul had the ball. Harden quickly tired of Paul barking about his concerns, which included lobbying coach Mike D'Antoni to implement more structure and movement in an offensive system that revolved around Harden's isolations, sources said.

    Rockets management believed those issues could be ironed out and wanted to run it back with the Harden-Paul duo last season. Those plans changed as soon as Westbrook became available.

    Harden insisted the Rockets get the deal done, saying he'd demand a trade if they didn't find a way to bring his childhood friend and former OKC teammate to Houston, sources said. The Rockets paid a price that was considered steep at the time -- Paul, 2024 and 2026 first-round picks, and swap rights in 2021 and 2025.

    Sources said Westbrook frequently expressed his displeasure during the season with not being able to "play my game," as he put it. There were questions about the Harden-Westbrook fit when they were pushing to play together again, including D'Antoni privately expressing his concerns, sources said.

    HOUSTON'S CASUAL CULTURE appalled Westbrook. In Oklahoma City, he enjoyed the same sort of superstar privileges as Harden has had in Houston, and the Thunder operated with the discipline of a military unit under Westbrook's watch. The Rockets were a stark contrast, especially last season under D'Antoni, who was never known as a disciplinarian and who was a lame duck in the last year of his contract after extension negotiations infamously fizzled twice over the summer.

    Westbrook didn't tolerate iness. With the Rockets, scheduled departure times were treated as mere suggestions by Harden and others.

    "Nothing ever starts on time," a former Rockets staffer said. "The plane is always late. The bus is never on time. ... It's just an organized AAU team."

    On one occasion in the Florida bubble, Harden waited to get his daily COVID-19 testing until just before the Rockets' film session was scheduled to start. When he wasn't on time, Westbrook barked, "Start the film! Start without him!" D'Antoni explained that they'd just have to start over when Harden arrived, which didn't do much to calm Westbrook.

    Whether Westbrook or Harden wanted out first isn't clear, but they no longer wanted to play together, a season after the Rockets mortgaged their draft future to make it happen.

    Morey, the man who negotiated that deal with owner Tilman Fer ta's approval, made his exit before either star asked to be traded. Rafael Stone, who was promoted to general manager after Morey's resignation and move to become president of basketball operations for the Philadelphia 76ers, was left to deal with the messy aftermath.

    As one high-ranking Rockets source told ESPN in November, the franchise was "willing to get uncomfortable" by going into the season with disgruntled superstars on the roster. The Rockets ended up trading Westbrook just before camp opened, sending him to the Washington Wizards for John Wall (fresh off a two-year injury layoff) and a protected future first-round pick, an admission that the previous offseason's deal to acquire Westbrook was a disastrous decision.

    But Houston has its heels dug in regarding Harden, refusing at this point to consider an offer unless it includes a young franchise cornerstone and a bundle of first-round picks and/or promising players on rookie deals. Sources say Harden, who had been singularly focused on trying to force his way to the Brooklyn Nets, has indicated to the Rockets that he would be agreeable to a trade to the 76ers or other select contenders.

    After the Rockets let it be known they would not be swayed by unhappiness, Harden delayed an arrival to camp, instead choosing to hang out with rapper Lil Baby -- gifting his friend a Prada bag stuffed with honey buns, a $100,000 brick of cash (aka a "Honey Bun") and a Richard Mille watch worth well into the six figures for Lil Baby's birthday -- while leaving Silas hanging.

    Harden reported to the Rockets on Dec. 8, a week after his teammates, tested negative for the coronavirus for an NBA-mandated six consecutive days and finally practiced with the team on Monday. He had a "good conversation" about basketball strategy with Silas, according to the coach, who had minimal communication with his point guard until that point. But Harden has yet to speak to the media since his late arrival to training camp, a violation of NBA rules.

    "You can't get mad at your kid if you let him eat candy every night and then suddenly one night you don't and they throw a tantrum," an ex-Houston assistant coach said. "You're the one who let them eat candy every night.

    "The Rockets turned the organization over to James and now they have to live with the fallout."

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    ^ Exactly how most superstars are these days - LeBron, Harden, the snake, Durant/Kyrie/Jordan butt buddies - they all control their franchises. Curry and Giannis being the exceptions. Let's see how Doncic wields his power.

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    The problem is, they turned over the keys before he won anything. Bash LeBron all you want, and I don’t particularly like him, but he wins. At some point, Harden needs to have his realization: the problem is himself. He’s colossally selfish, but can’t close the deal in clutch time. Even Jordan eventually realized that selfish scoring was usually corrosive to the team structure and winning. He had those Harden like years, scoring 37PPG once in an era when the 3 pointer was barely a thing, but won les once he dialed back closer to 30-31 PPG, and involved the rest of the team.

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    The problem is, they turned over the keys before he won anything. Bash LeBron all you want, and I don’t particularly like him, but he wins. At some point, Harden needs to have his realization: the problem is himself. He’s colossally selfish, but can’t close the deal in clutch time. Even Jordan eventually realized that selfish scoring was usually corrosive to the team structure and winning. He had those Harden like years, scoring 37PPG once in an era when the 3 pointer was barely a thing, but won les once he dialed back closer to 30-31 PPG, and involved the rest of the team.
    I don't think you can compare Jordan's 37 ppg year to Harden's ballhogging. That was before they had Pippen and Horace Grant and when the team's second and third best offensive players were a second year Charles Oakley and John Paxson. I think it's a pretty far cry from having Chris Paul and a bunch of elite shooters surrounding you and refusing to give them the ball. It's funny reading how much of a heard Harden is though, it's no wonder this guy can't elevate his game when it matters most.

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    ^ Exactly how most superstars are these days - LeBron, Harden, the snake, Durant/Kyrie/Jordan butt buddies - they all control their franchises. Curry and Giannis being the exceptions. Let's see how Doncic wields his power.
    lol putting LeBron in that category

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    lol putting LeBron in that category
    He doesn't control the whole franchise? lol he's the poster boy for it.

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    He doesn't control the whole franchise? lol he's the poster boy for it.
    He controls weak franchises like Clevleand. Riley wouldn't let him call the shots in Miami though.

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    He doesn't control the whole franchise? lol he's the poster boy for it.
    Unlike the other 2 clowns, he has gotten resuts out of it

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    He controls weak franchises like Clevleand. Riley wouldn't let him call the shots in Miami though.
    He left as a direct result of them cutting Mike Miller to save a few dollars. All three of the cornerstones of that Heat run left some money on the table in 2010 specifically because they wanted Miller signed as a floor spacer. Perhaps that was the wrong hill for Riley and Arison to die on.

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    He left as a direct result of them cutting Mike Miller to save a few dollars. All three of the cornerstones of that Heat run left some money on the table in 2010 specifically because they wanted Miller signed as a floor spacer. Perhaps that was the wrong hill for Riley and Arison to die on.
    Yeah don't know what the Arison was thinking cutting Miller to save a few million on the luxury tax. Had he not done that LeBron probably would have spent the rest of his career in Miami. Can't imagine how pissed LeBron was to not have Miller there in the 2014 Finals when Chalmers was on that ridiculous slump. Just so shortsighted, if there is one thing LeBron will never tolerate it's playing for a team trying to be cheap at the expense of winning.

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    My big surprise is that Russell Westbrook, one of the most undisciplined players I've ever seen on the basketball court, is this super-disciplined guy in terms of team meetings and workouts.

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    My big surprise is that Russell Westbrook, one of the most undisciplined players I've ever seen on the basketball court, is this super-disciplined guy in terms of team meetings and workouts.
    Maybe he's all OCD and his release valve is actually in the playing.

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    My big surprise is that Russell Westbrook, one of the most undisciplined players I've ever seen on the basketball court, is this super-disciplined guy in terms of team meetings and workouts.
    His in game decision making isn’t the best, dude has a low basketball IQ tbh, but he’s always been compe ive

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    Yeah don't know what the Arison was thinking cutting Miller to save a few million on the luxury tax. Had he not done that LeBron probably would have spent the rest of his career in Miami. Can't imagine how pissed LeBron was to not have Miller there in the 2014 Finals when Chalmers was on that ridiculous slump. Just so shortsighted, if there is one thing LeBron will never tolerate it's playing for a team trying to be cheap at the expense of winning.

    And they let their franchise legend and face go...over money. Y’Know, if your guy wants one more 2 year payday, you give it to him. If you need to stay under the tax, ship out some other contracts. It was completely shameful to let Wade walk. I’ll also be eternally grateful with how pissy they were to Bowen. He had just come off his first all defensive team selection with Miami, and they were pissed that he took like a couple of million from SA, instead of signing on there for cheap again. It wasn’t just the money. Riley was downright nasty in the media, saying they could create another Bowen in short order. They still haven’t, and we got a Kobe defender, 3 les, and 7 all defensive team seasons out of him, all after the age of 30.

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    Trouble in paradise

    Harden throwing a ball at a rookie

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    YOu thougt you was jordan

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    Trouble in paradise

    Harden throwing a ball at a rookie
    The headline makes it sound worse than it really is. From the article:


    Sources say Harden and rookie Jae’Sean Tate had a heated exchange during Monday’s practice, culminating in Harden throwing the ball in Tate’s direction. The ball did not hit Tate. Interactions like these between teammates during practice can be part of a normal, compe ive environment. Harden, however, is known by those in the organization as a laid-back and calm personality —especially as superstars go — and some around the franchise are viewing this as rising to an uncharacteristic level of frustration given his ongoing situation.

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    Sources have described Harden as engaged and encouraging with teammates on game nights, discussing strategy and how to improve on the floor.
    But of course, anything Harden does now is going to become instant clickbait...and he kinda brought that on himself.

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    This guy...SMH

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    Party down homie. You're invincible.
    As my wife watches people die nearly every single day around her, working the front lines and then clocks out to see s like him, insulting the people working to save our lives.

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    There is a rumor that Harden and PHI deal is done with a package of Simmons, Maxey and picks and all they are waiting on is Tyrese Maxey to be tradable.

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    There is a rumor that Harden and PHI deal is done with a package of Simmons, Maxey and picks and all they are waiting on is Tyrese Maxey to be tradable.
    Wall and Simmons just feels like an awful fit together. Wall can't drive and kick to Simmons.

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    Wall and Simmons just feels like an awful fit together. Wall can't drive and kick to Simmons.
    They have to try to make the playoffs, or those pick swaps with OKC will rape their franchise for half a decade.

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    I don't think they care about fit at this point. Just the best return.

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    The bridge is being burned, fellas

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