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    Was Bryn here this preseason? Because our SL looked very similar in tone and tempo. The ball doesn’t move without someone initiating it, and DD looks nothing like bubble DD. Not sure what you saw in the preseason, but I saw last year, and it wasn’t pretty.

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    Was Bryn here this preseason? Because our SL looked very similar in tone and tempo. The ball doesn’t move without someone initiating it, and DD looks nothing like bubble DD. Not sure what you saw in the preseason, but I saw last year, and it wasn’t pretty.
    Pre-season:

    -LaMarcus regressed
    -LaMarcus + Poetl combo is too slow, was barely used in a line-up last year
    -No show by Lonnie (2 out of 3 games)
    -It's pre-season

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    Pre-season:

    -LaMarcus regressed
    -LaMarcus + Poetl combo is too slow, was barely used in a line-up last year
    -No show by Lonnie (2 out of 3 games)
    -It's pre-season
    So, Lonnie took the place of Forbes as the shooting guy who does nothing else, and blows his assignments pretty regularly on defense. No wonder they looked like last year.

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    So, Lonnie took the place of Forbes as the shooting guy who does nothing else, and blows his assignments pretty regularly on defense. No wonder they looked like last year.
    Yes, Derrick White should very well take his spot if he's going to continue performing poorly. But I'm not counting on it. Lonnie will wake up soon, hopefully.

    The idea of letting Bryn go and have basically anyone replace him should theoretically increase the team's floor. It's just not happening right now because Lonnie is performing way below expectations.

    (Having LMA + Poetl on the floor together is a separate topic and frankly, the idea of them being on the floor together will probably vanish soon)

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    I think Lonnie needs to be the new Patty, the bench shooting spark. Devin will find him often enough to make it a good move.

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    I think Lonnie needs to be the new Patty, the bench shooting spark. Devin will find him often enough to make it a good move.
    Strong agree. I actually think the ball should be in Lonnie's hands more as the primary bench facilitator. His playmaking is underrated and it'll force him to be more aggressive tbh.

    White/Murray/Keldon/DD/LMA
    Lonnie/Patty/Devin/Rudy/Jak

    That's my preferred rotation once the team is healthy. I'd be fine with starting Lonnie instead of Keldon but still want IV with the ball in his hands as much as possible .

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    Who cares when you have Pat Bev as a point guard .Who knows who the point is between lowry and vanvleet, lonzo and bledsoe, harden and wall. Stevens and Pop have said that they don't classify players 1-5 anymore there are only guards, wings and big man. White can have all the usage he can handle when LA and Demar leave, does it matter who gets the label?.
    You seem to be missing the point. Who cares? Dejounte Murray. And that’s the issue.

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    great extension!

    his biggest issue is injuries but he's by far the teams best player and a good one at that.

    his defense is great, hes got good court vision. he can be physical and finesse.

    he needs to avg 30mpg minimum for this team to see the results. we'll see if his health allows him to do that.

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    Strong agree. I actually think the ball should be in Lonnie's hands more as the primary bench facilitator. His playmaking is underrated and it'll force him to be more aggressive tbh.

    White/Murray/Keldon/DD/LMA
    Lonnie/Patty/Devin/Rudy/Jak

    That's my preferred rotation once the team is healthy. I'd be fine with starting Lonnie instead of Keldon but still want IV with the ball in his hands as much as possible .
    i'd be very happy with that lineup.

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    Maybe I'm still in stuck in 2010-level salaries. So now guys averaging 11 ppg get 18 mill per? 18 mill like the new 7 mill?
    7 million is less than the mid level exception. That's like Jacob Poetl money

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    Strong agree. I actually think the ball should be in Lonnie's hands more as the primary bench facilitator. His playmaking is underrated and it'll force him to be more aggressive tbh.

    White/Murray/Keldon/DD/LMA
    Lonnie/Patty/Devin/Rudy/Jak

    That's my preferred rotation once the team is healthy. I'd be fine with starting Lonnie instead of Keldon but still want IV with the ball in his hands as much as possible .
    I'd be good with that as well.

    Lonnie might actually improve by coming off the bench but still getting his minutes, but more touches as the key guy off the bench. Keldon is just a more rugged player at this point, so having him out there with the starters makes sense.

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    I'd be good with that as well.

    Lonnie might actually improve by coming off the bench but still getting his minutes, but more touches as the key guy off the bench. Keldon is just a more rugged player at this point, so having him out there with the starters makes sense.
    your starting lineup has no shooting. It would get blown out by 20 every game

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    Did I say he wasn't responsible? Maybe stop hunting down every post that doesn't criticize Pop. You don't get paid enough to do that.
    Wait, those guys are getting paid for that?...

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    your starting lineup has no shooting. It would get blown out by 20 every game
    It was Mugen's lineup...but anyway...

    Are you talking 3 point shooting? Would you suggest Patty or Vassell? Our roster isn't exactly loaded with outside shooters better than what's suggested.

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    Pre-season:

    -LaMarcus regressed
    -LaMarcus + Poetl combo is too slow, was barely used in a line-up last year
    -No show by Lonnie (2 out of 3 games)
    -It's pre-season
    LaMarcus regressed because Derrick White is injured. If there are 2 players that have the most synergy together on this entire roster it’s Derrick White and LaMarcus Aldridge. If LA starts Derrick has to start period

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    Strong agree. I actually think the ball should be in Lonnie's hands more as the primary bench facilitator. His playmaking is underrated and it'll force him to be more aggressive tbh.

    White/Murray/Keldon/DD/LMA
    Lonnie/Patty/Devin/Rudy/Jak

    That's my preferred rotation once the team is healthy. I'd be fine with starting Lonnie instead of Keldon but still want IV with the ball in his hands as much as possible .
    i'd love that lineup, though it's going to take pop getting convinced to go small like that

    hopefully samanic works his way into there too...

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    So, Lonnie took the place of Forbes as the shooting guy who does nothing else, and blows his assignments pretty regularly on defense. No wonder they looked like last year.
    That‘s why Vassell should be the starting SG. Gives you shooting, spacing and that help defense is a huge need for the starters.

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    i'd love that lineup, though it's going to take pop getting convinced to go small like that

    hopefully samanic works his way into there too...
    It makes too much sense so I'm sure we won't see it until late in the season when the Spurs are 10+ games out of the playoffs and the old man has tried every other possible combination.

    Unfortunately, Lyles will probably get his minutes as well. Trading one or two of the 4 vets would do wonders for the rotation and the team but that should have been accomplished in the offseason obviously.... can't believe they're all back to start the year.

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    It makes too much sense so I'm sure we won't see it until late in the season when the Spurs are 10+ games out of the playoffs and the old man has tried every other possible combination.

    Unfortunately, Lyles will probably get his minutes as well. Trading one or two of the 4 vets would do wonders for the rotation and the team but that should have been accomplished in the offseason obviously.... can't believe they're all back to start the year.
    oh , forgot about lyles and his obligatory 20 minutes to do nothing out there besides jog back and forth

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    It was Mugen's lineup...but anyway...

    Are you talking 3 point shooting? Would you suggest Patty or Vassell? Our roster isn't exactly loaded with outside shooters better than what's suggested.
    If it was me it would be Vassell or Walker. Since it's Pop it's gonna be Mills or some though. Or he will instruct Trey Lyles and LMA to put up 10 combined 3s a game.


    IIRC my proposed lineup was (or something like)


    LMA
    Gay
    Vassell
    DeRozan
    White/Murray (while White is out injured)

    Bench unit:

    Purrtl/Mills (PnR)
    Walker / Johnson (when back from his injury)
    Jones / Murray

    Do not open until emergencies:

    KBD (until we figure out his true role here)
    DrewDaTower (for his career high 8/8 game...it's coming I swear)
    Lyles ( this dude he sucks he's our Forbes/Ayres/Bonner this year)

    G League

    Sammich
    QueenDairy

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    If it was me it would be Vassell or Walker. Since it's Pop it's gonna be Mills or some though. Or he will instruct Trey Lyles and LMA to put up 10 combined 3s a game.


    IIRC my proposed lineup was (or something like)


    LMA
    Gay
    Vassell
    DeRozan
    White/Murray (while White is out injured)

    Bench unit:

    Purrtl/Mills (PnR)
    White / Johnson (when back)
    Jones / Murray

    Do not open until emergencies:

    KBD (until we figure out his true role here)
    DrewDaTower (for his career high 8/8 game...it's coming I swear)
    Lyles ( this dude he sucks he's our Forbes/Ayres/Bonner this year)

    G League

    Sammich
    QueenDairy
    jones isnt going to be a thing this year

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    jones isnt going to be a thing this year
    sadly yes. I think he would be good enough to be backup PG in a pinch once he fully learns the system. Like a Jacque Vaughn / set the table type of player, not expecting much else. But give him some time with our shooting coach and he could turn into a poor mans Fred Van Vleet?

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    If it was me it would be Vassell or Walker. Since it's Pop it's gonna be Mills or some though. Or he will instruct Trey Lyles and LMA to put up 10 combined 3s a game.


    IIRC my proposed lineup was (or something like)


    LMA
    Gay
    Vassell
    DeRozan
    White/Murray (while White is out injured)

    Bench unit:

    Purrtl/Mills (PnR)
    Walker / Johnson (when back from his injury)
    Jones / Murray

    Do not open until emergencies:

    KBD (until we figure out his true role here)
    DrewDaTower (for his career high 8/8 game...it's coming I swear)
    Lyles ( this dude he sucks he's our Forbes/Ayres/Bonner this year)

    G League

    Sammich
    QueenDairy
    OK, your starting lineup has worse shooting than Mugens, and 3 ball stoppers in DD, LMA, and Gay. That’s not materially different from last year’s lineup that the bed and missed the playoffs. Devin would never touch the ball.

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    OK, your starting lineup has worse shooting than Mugens, and 3 ball stoppers in DD, LMA, and Gay. That’s not materially different from last year’s lineup that the bed and missed the playoffs. Devin would never touch the ball.
    Agreed. Having LMA and DeRozan both out there is, again, going to create a ton of movement problems. The addition of Gay as a starter only makes it an older and slower unit. Vassell for Forbes would be a huge upgrade, but not enough to suddenly make that lineup work well. With Murray starting this lineup gets into some huge holes to open most games.
    I wonder if either LMA or DeRozan get less playing time/touches and suddenly demands a trade if that would actually end up helping the team in the long run.

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    Agreed. Having LMA and DeRozan both out there is, again, going to create a ton of movement problems. The addition of Gay as a starter only makes it an older and slower unit. Vassell for Forbes would be a huge upgrade, but not enough to suddenly make that lineup work well. With Murray starting this lineup gets into some huge holes to open most games.
    I wonder if either LMA or DeRozan get less playing time/touches and suddenly demands a trade if that would actually end up helping the team in the long run.
    No way LMA/DeRozan get less PT on their contracts / with their status on the team. Sure, Gay can be moved to the bench and Walker can slot into SG, with DeMar at PF and Vassell at SF. But it's not even feasible to suggest LMA or DeMar are benched or receive no minutes (unless they hold out / request trade / are in the process of being traded).

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