First off, anyone that doesn't want a top 5 player on the Spurs please have the decency to leave this thread without making a comment and exposing your idiocy, tbh. Thank you very much.
With that out of they way, why do I think the Spurs should try to make a move for Harden?
For the Spurs is easy, you would be getting a top 5 player in the league that would instantly make you a top 4 team in the West. Nothing else is worth saying.
Now, the reason why I think this would actually be possible if PATFO really decided to go for it: The Spurs are one of the few teams in the league with enough expiring contracts and assets to offer Houston one of (if not THE) best returns. PATFO should already be calling the Rockets FO and ask them "what would you want from us on a potential Harden trade?" and start negotiating from there. Not doing so would be front Office malpractice, tbh.
An example of a trade I would like:
-Rockets get: DeRozan, Aldridge and Gay (all expirings) + a 1st round pick.
-Spurs get: Harden, Gordon and Tucker.
I know this is highly unlikely, though. A type of trade the Rockets would be more OK with would be something like:
-Rockets get: DeRozan, Aldridge, Murray/Walker + 2 1st round picks (or something along those lines).
-Spurs get: Harden, Gordon and Tucker.
I would still do that in a heartbeat, tbh.
The Spurs have the pieces to add a top 5 player to it's roster, they need to at least explore the possibility.
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Which team, do you think, would be willing to give up a centerpiece young player to acquire Harden?
When Davis does anything other than missing the playoffs as a top dog, we can discuss ranking him over Harden, tbh. But, anyways, top 5, top 6, top 7, whatever you want to call it, Harden is one of those few guys that instantly puts you in contention when you have him.Let me guess, you're leaving Davis out of the top 5?
What’s keeping harden from walking in free agency for a city with better strip clubs?
I agree even though I hate his guts and play style but he is undeniably a basketball savant. I just don't think anything we can offer will get it done. DD/LMA/Gay are not enticing trade pieces for an MVP level player and by all reports Houston wants a godfather offer for him. It would likely need to be LMA/DD/White and like 4 future firsts for them to even entertain it imho
The problem is the Spurs would only have Harden for 2 more years after this season. They would also not have a team to contend with him so he would bolt immediately once he's an FA.
Plus, I really don't see Pop wanting to deal with Harden. The franchise wouldn't bend over backwards for Kawhi. I don't think they would for an aging Harden
I suspect the 76ers ultimately are willing to trade Simmons for him. The Nuggets might follow suit on Porter Jr. Another possibility I could see is a 3 way, where Harden goes to the Raptors, Porter Jr. to the Rockets and Siakam to the Nuggets, with a bunch of other players/picks involved to balance everything.
Loaded conference and ill-fitting, injury prone roster. Davis took a team that missed the playoffs the previous season and made them champions and unlike S bag, he did so with a flawed roster.
Harden's not a Top 5 Player anymore...
I don't think a team trading their superstar to a division rival has ever been done before in the history of the NBA. Their fans would never forgive them.
Of course you would want some kind of assurance that Harden would sign with you long term but I don't think that would be too hard to do. For as much as Harden gets, I really think he just wants to be on a team that gives him a chance to win. He was willing to sign with OKC (and remain a 6th man) if they weren't so cheap, and with the Rockets he's just now acting up after giving them 8 years of MVP level play and being further away from a championship than ever. If Pop talks to Harden, I'm sure he would make him buy in.
Spurs are not a Harden destination. He doesn't want to play here and he will cause the same problems that he caused in Houston. He'll just act the same way until he gets to a place he wants to go. Plus, Houston wants young assets and draft picks. They aren't going to trade him for our vets. So everything that made our future look brighter will be lost for a team that headlines Demar, LMA, and Harden. Teams will score 200 points against us and Harden will want out and we will lose and probably will have given up at least two first rounders for Harden. He's just not worth what they want for him to go to a place that isn't a contender and isn't a place he wants to be.
I don't know how the Nuggets would make a Porter jr/ Harden trade work, tbh. But anyways, if any such deal goes down, then sure the Spurs might be out of it. That doesn't mean they should just sit on their asses doing nothing, tbh. They have the pieces to make a Harden trade work, their obligation is to at least inquire about it.
You can't make a Harden for young pieces work, you need veterans to make the salaries Match. The Spurs have a platoon of expiring contracts to make such trade work. Not to mention a bunch of interesting young pieces and all of their draft picks.
How are the strip clubs in San Antonio?
I agree on this, the Spurs should do their due diligence - though I wouldn't be asking so much about Harden (I don't see it ever going down), but their other pieces. If Rockets ship away Harden, they enter full-rebuild mode, and a vet or two could be had at firesale value for just a pick and matching salary. I haven't looked at their roster too close, but Gordon and Tucker have always been two favorites of mine from the Rockettes.
Nobody is giving them 4 future 1sts, tbh.
All Harden needs is Ojos Locos.
Yeah, that's all it'd take.
Spurs can't surround him with a contender in less than 2 years and the Rockets won't be sacrificing value for financial flexibility in a superstar trade.
Easy. It'd have to include some combination of Harris, Barton, Millsap, Green (unlikely, unless Tucker were coming back), plus ancillary youth/picks.
Spurs don't have the piece.
How about no?
Idk about that tbh. Look what OKC and Milwaukee gave up to get much lesser players in George and Holiday
Spurs would have to give Houston a bunch of picks and pick swaps like Houston gave OKC. Not down for that when Harden + nobody isn't getting you a ring.
Spurs are just delaying the rebuild process by trading for Harden. Reality is even with Harden this team is not a contender and he would bolt after 2 years thus putting the spurs back into the same spot they are in currently right now. Rebuilding sucks but unfortunately I don't see any shortcuts.
Honestly if he came to San Antonio I could see sugars and XTC becoming a hot spot for the baddest strippers in south Texas, with the amount of money he’ll be throwing around you’ll have them all coming from Dallas Ft worth and Austin
What was the piece when the Spurs traded Kawhi away?
Spurs can't surround him with a contender in less than 2 years and the Rockets won't be sacrificing value for financial flexibility in a superstar trade.
Easy. It'd have to include some combination of Harris, Barton, Millsap, Green (unlikely, unless Tucker were coming back), plus ancillary youth/picks.
Spurs don't have the piece.
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