Yeah, there's no excuse for them accepting the deal they ultimately did. If the Raptors, who were going to make out like bandits either way, wouldn't at least accept Gasol instead of Green, then screw them.
I don't think the Spurs cared about DeRozan's place in the modern NBA. They were between a rock and a hard place and knew him + Aldridge would buy them time until they hopefully came up with a better centerpiece/direction. Plus, he was an all important cultural fit.
That is fair but he was going to leave either way. I don't think the Spurs lost face in the NBA as a whole and in terms of real assets what more could we have gotten had he not acted like a child on the way out?
We wouldn't have been negotiating from a position of strength in trading him either way.
Agreed he was going to leave anyways. He harmed the Spurs in the sense of not telling them in the summer of '17 that he wanted out. It would have given the Spurs an opportunity to get better deals since more teams would be willing to take a risk on him since he would have 2 more years left. He also ed the Spurs over by screaming LA was the only option. As much as Harden is a bag I give him respect in this sense that he has several teams he wants to go to and has a few more years left on his contract which is both helpful to Houston in getting a good deal for him.
I just don't see the point on crying over spilled milk.
I responded to you saying "I don't think the Spurs lost face in the NBA as a whole and in terms of real assets what more could we have gotten had he not acted like a child on the way out?" I illustrated to you how he ed the spurs over from getting a better deal by acting the way he did. Like i said before I'm over it.
I wasn't referring to just you. And I am not sure i buy your claim about his wanting to go to LA being meaningful considering he needed up being traded to Canada.
At the end of the day it is convenient assumptions about what it could've been when it is in fact unknowable while the season is cranking up and there are exciting young players on the roster.
In regards to Scola, same that one hurt for a long time but when we got Diaw that helped make up for it a bit...
Just because Kawhi said he wanted to go LA it didn't mean it was impossible to trade him to a different location but what it meant was he would be traded for a ty return since teams would not want to give up their best assets for a 1 year rental. It was very meaningful since it scared off a lot of teams from offering good value for Kawhi. Even the Raptors trade didn't offer the best value for Kawhi which should have also included Siakam/Anouby for a player of Kawhi's value . Spurs were desperate so they had to take whatever little crumbs were out there.
SOMEONE LET ABAKA KNOWAnd now Ibaka ruined Kawhi's face...
HE DOIN 2 MUCH
The malfeasance was him lying about the medicals and hiding in NY. Him wanting to go to LA and stating so was his prerogative.
And it was never going to be a situation where we could get equal value. This is exactly what I am talking about in terms of convenient assumptions.
Again, I'll be that voice to say that there are two teams in LA, and the Spurs should've forced a bidding war between the two. Of course, because of Pop's "princples" of not trading his star player to another team in the West (and a historic rival if the Lakers) the Spurs failed to make the pragmatic decision and harmed themselves in the process.
"Harmed themselves in the process"
So what? Ingram or whatever these two organizations had weren't going to make or break the Spurs' championship aspirations. Neither had can't miss talent. How much the Spurs were set back is debatable. There are plenty of avenues to get back on track, a trade with LA didn't HAVE to be it. I'm here yawning over Ingram. the Lakers.
With our draft history, Ingram/Kuzma/Hart + all available picks/swaps would've been a great haul. (And not giving up Green)
Still not crying about it. Debatable that it pushes the Spurs *years* ahead where they are now. Kuzma & Hart are nobodies.
NBA radio going in raw on kawhi calling him out for missing 2 game because of a cut in his mouth
Agreed Ingram is going to have to be an MVP caliber player for several years before I have any regrets on the Spurs not trading for him.
Definitive superstars: Durant, Doncic, Jokic, Curry, Harden, S bag, Davis, James, Antetokounmpo.
Definitive stars: Young, Tatum, Irving, George, Adebayo, Butler, Middleton, Towns, Embiid, Simmons, Booker, Paul, Lillard, Lowry, Gobert, Beal.
That makes no sense. He'd clearly be the best building block on the Spurs at the moment, but if your standard is going to be legit superstar, that could easily take decades to come by.
Like I said before I'm not going to lose sleep over not having Inrgam. I just don't give a .
I'm not sure Ingram is a "best building block" material. Maybe he'll get there, but so far he absolutely disappears when he's needed. He's actually really similar to Anthony Davis in being soft and unreliable, except he's about a third as good.
Why tf everything he do cringy af. That mask looks straight up for the mentally challenged.
It is appropriate for him since he's mentally challenged.
Why tf everything he do cringy af. That mask looks straight up for the mentally challenged.
Has Kawhi returned? And he's wearing a mask for cut?
He’s back. The mask is for the cut.
lol. That is unbelievable. He's going to wear a mask for a cut. Wow. I'd be embarrassed if I were him. You don't want to be showing weakness, but this guy is showing it in spades.
Off the top of my head: Lillard, Jamal Murray, Klay Thompson, Oladipo, Donovan Mitc all say o. Your list is inaccurate af.
And Lowry is not a star. If he's a star so is Scrub Ass Draymond Green. And so is DeAaron Fox, among many others. John Wall, Miike Conley, DeRozan, McCollum, Kemba Walker, Middleton, Porzingis, Blake Griffin, Jaylen Brown, Horford, Hayward, Vucevic, Sabonis etc etc etc
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