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90% Lonnie
10% Coaching staff
is at fault and that’s being generous in my opinion. he has to be more aggressive and study more film to fix his flaws
I totally agree and would add that I think, just an armchair theory, that Pop has had to keep himself under control and eat so much with his vets since Kawhi left, relatively speaking, and so he has put most of his typical aggressive coaching into the young players instead. Last year for sure, and Lonnie got the bulk of it. This year it's like he has sort of thrown his hands up in the air, he is waiting for the Olympics if it ever happens, and with the loss of his wife, he just wants to enjoy the camdraderie of the team for his last season ever while buying expensive dinners for the team. Anyway, that's my theory. His style this year is very atypical for him.It's not really about increasing his usage to 20+, it's more of the fact that he was badly used when he did play. Lonnie should've always been put in a gunner mentality and role. He also should've been played after he made his mistake instead of watching older useless vets make the same mistakes he made. I don't think there really was much positive coaching from Pop to him last year. It's hard to argue that there was. He made a mistake and would get benched for 3 games. He played well, he still got benched for 3 games. He sat behind the two most useless players on our team. He had zero plays drawn for him or designed for him. , even Marco had plays drawn up for him.
This year, he is being used differently and I like Pop's mindset when it comes to coaching. He is letting his players play. Lonnie got abused by many players defensively and he kept him in there. There is learning experiences from going up against Jason Tatum, Lebron, Kawhi. At the end of the day, it's on him, but there really is no Spur we can compare him to that I can think of as far as his treatment went. I mean even Beno played the next game and Pop hated Beno
90% Lonnie
10% Coaching staff
is at fault and that’s being generous in my opinion. he has to be more aggressive and study more film to fix his flaws
He was getting more minutes by the time you stopped watching the games. He is at 18 usage last year the same as this year, that is the upper end without being a ball handling guard.It's not really about increasing his usage to 20+, it's more of the fact that he was badly used when he did play. Lonnie should've always been put in a gunner mentality and role. He also should've been played after he made his mistake instead of watching older useless vets make the same mistakes he made. I don't think there really was much positive coaching from Pop to him last year. It's hard to argue that there was. He made a mistake and would get benched for 3 games. He played well, he still got benched for 3 games. He sat behind the two most useless players on our team. He had zero plays drawn for him or designed for him. , even Marco had plays drawn up for him.
This year, he is being used differently and I like Pop's mindset when it comes to coaching. He is letting his players play. Lonnie got abused by many players defensively and he kept him in there. There is learning experiences from going up against Jason Tatum, Lebron, Kawhi. At the end of the day, it's on him, but there really is no Spur we can compare him to that I can think of as far as his treatment went. I mean even Beno played the next game and Pop hated Beno
The consolation I see is that Pop knows Lonnie has more to give. He wouldn't be hard on him if he didn't. And I can't recall any player, as of yet, that Pop messed up their development. Spurs might have given up too early on Mahinmi. But on the most part, players have always came out better, Gary Neal, Simmons, Baynes. I still have high hopes on Lonnie
Last edited by John B; 02-12-2021 at 11:57 AM.
So so soft. Passive against third stringers. Unit that he was supposed to lead let the lead shrink from 40 to 15 in like 7 minutes of gameplay.
Man, when he had the ball in the paint and passed it back to Eubanks. THAT play pissed me the off.So so soft. Passive against third stringers. Unit that he was supposed to lead let the lead shrink from 40 to 15 in like 7 minutes of gameplay.
Yeah he refuses to celebrate the 4 of July
He just turned 22. Underperforming? Yes. But he has room and time to get better. Murray and KJ’s growth, along with the vets providing stability plus White / Poeltl being solid puts less pressure on him. I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt he’ll figure it out as the year goes on.
And even if he’s a Lou Williams spark plug guy off the bench, that’s not a bad guy to have around. He knocks down threes at a serviceable clip, so will stick in the league.
what happened to the guy that had back to back 20+ scoring games with derozan out?
Exactly. He's got a lot of time to figure out a steady NBA career. It seems he's good for chemistry, seeing as how he's getting along with Keldon. He's not a malcontent. He loves the city. If he turns out to be a Lou, it's not a bad thing. If he becomes something more, then great. Just don't overpay him if he truly is just a Lou.
Yeah, you're right. It's easy to be alarmed by his recent play but we can't lose sight of the fact that the talent is there and he's had a couple 20 point games already this season.
White and Murray already got paid. KJ is younger and has already clearly surpassed him. Vassell is also younger and a rookie and has arguably already surpassed him as well.
They cant pay all of them anyways. Lonnie is the odd man out. They shouldn't hesitate to package him with LMA/Gay to upgrade the frontcourt, tbh.
He looks like he’s trying too hard to distribute. But one game I saw Pop pulled him and reinserted again and he started shooting. So Pop definitely wants him to be aggressive as well. Come on Lonnie. The guy can erupt to 30 points and that’s the worst part. He’s like a Lambo cruising at Nacogdoches. Let it rip!
So true.
I have been saying this for awhile now and no one wanted to believe me. Most wanted to get rid of DJM and the ones that didnt wanted to get rid of white. I was always saying Lonnie was the one we should trade while his value was high.
When has his value been high? He’s a throw in in another trade that the Spurs will never make.
You'd be surprised. A lot of other teams' fans think highly of Lonnie. Maybe it was high during those two 30 pt games, or before the season started.
Lonnie is very capable. He just needs to get a little selfish. I’m rooting for him to get his breakout in one of these away games. The guys are tight. They get along great and enjoy playing together. Just keep sending him positive vibes.
Lonnie needs to develop a finishing move at the rim. It is the same problem DJM had. DJM solved it this year and that has unlocked his game. If Lonnie can do the same he can become a very valuable scorer. Otherwise he is just a spot up shooter w mediocre defense. His dunks are exciting, but don't add to winning, as they usually require him to be wide open to the rim.
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I’m afraid him leaving and averaging 25 plus on the hornets or bulls or some other ty team out east is inevitable.. wel be crying but it just doesn’t click here with us for some reason
Or it could turn out to be exactly like Jonathon Simmons. It's not "inevitable".
LW4 has 1 more year left on his current contract after this season. It sets up well to see if he will get it together and of Tre Jones will continue to flourish in the G-league this year and next season. If Tre continues to show what he's showing and develop more it will come down to if the Spurs want to keep Patty Mills or not. If they resign Patty this offseason and LW4 doesn't show progression, then the Spurs will not resign him after next season and instead roll with Tre Jones as the backup PG and Patty at the backup SG. Even though that is small ball, but at least Tre has defense, unlike Forbes when he was running with Patty.
He does, but if he were going to be a positive impact player, we'd have likely either seen it or at least seen signs by now (as was the case with Poeltl, Murray, White, Johnson, Vassell), beared out by metrics.
I don't see him being a Crawford/Williams type. They were/are combo guards, who excelled/excel at creating their own shot.
His best chance to leverage his athleticism and speed in the half court, is going to be driving closeouts, coming off DHO's after a ball reversal, curling off wide pindowns, etc. In other words, having the offense get him a head start on the defense and punishing them in rotation.
Once KobeAchilles start ting on him he would get better.
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