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    The operation of wind turbines in a cold climate such as Canada’s involves additional challenges not present in warmer locations, such as:

    Ac ulation of ice on wind turbine blades resulting in reduced power output and increased rotor loads;
    Cold weather shutdown to prevent equipment failure; and
    Limited or reduced access for maintenance activities.
    Based on actual measurements, icing can occur up to 20% of the time between the months of November and April. Wind turbines must therefore be able to sustain at least limited icing without incurring damage that would prevent normal operation.

    Wind turbine manufacturers are increasingly recognizing the impacts of cold climate operation and are building turbines better equipped to handle winter conditions. With the installation of “cold weather packages” which provide heating to turbine components such as the gearbox, yaw and pitch motors and battery, some turbines can operate in temperatures down to -30C.

    Various types of rotor blade de-icing and anti-icing mechanisms, such as heating and water-resistant coatings are currently being employed, as well as operational strategies to limit ice ac ulation.

    However, it isn’t clear which cold climate solutions deliver the highest performance while still being cost-effective, making this an active area of research. The frequency, severity and type of icing event varies significantly by region, meaning that mitigation methods need to be tailored to local conditions. Different manufacturers’ turbines may also be more or less suited to particular solutions. Improving the accuracy of ice detection and forecasting systems represent another avenue for minimizing cold climate losses.

    The goals of CanmetENERGY-Ottawa (CE-O)’s cold climate research program are to analyze the impact of cold climate operation on Canadian wind energy generation and to support the development of targeted solutions to improve cold weather performance.

    https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/energ...-climates/7321

    I highly doubt Texas turbines have cold weather packages. Sounds like a business opportunity.

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    Narrative changed overnight, the problem didn’t.


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    Narrative changed overnight, the problem didn’t.

    Could be part of same narrative - wind power, even if it's only 10% of the total Texas power capacity, will strain the system if it goes down during a maximum demand event as it puts too much stress on other sources. If some of those sources cannot come on line because they weren't winterized - were shut down due to costs of maintenance vs price per kwh, then we could get where we are now. Hopefully some legislation creates a better scenario but I don't envision it happening in this decade.

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    Could be part of same narrative - wind power, even if it's only 10% of the total Texas power capacity, will strain the system if it goes down during a maximum demand event as it puts too much stress on other sources. If some of those sources cannot come on line because they weren't winterized - were shut down due to costs of maintenance vs price per kwh, then we could get where we are now. Hopefully some legislation creates a better scenario but I don't envision it happening in this decade.
    It could be part of the same narrative but it isn’t. Abbott was mugging for the TV audience last night, imputing the nuance in your reply to the Gov would be a big reach.

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    lol Trump supporter supporting the Trumpista narrative.

    Power is back out. What a glorious four hours.

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    The problem wasn't wind turbines

    the problem was wind turbines that weren't correctly fully maintained,

    then incompetently operated buy a bunch of f****** Texas Cowboys

    other countries like Scotland Denmark Sweden have a lot colder climates and tons more wind turbines and don't have the storm the Texas has

    always the same problem with United States operating under the hubris what it knows everything better than everybody else and learns nothing from nobody else

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    It could be part of the same narrative but it isn’t. Abbott was mugging for the TV audience last night, imputing the nuance in your reply to the Gov would be a big reach.
    Is this fact or your opinion?

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    It could be part of the same narrative but it isn’t. Abbott was mugging for the TV audience last night, imputing the nuance in your reply to the Gov would be a big reach.
    Is this fact or your opinion?

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    Is this fact or your opinion?
    It’s a fact that Gov Abbott was addressing a national TV audience last night and that his subsequent tweet was aimed at Texans.

    if you’re asking whether wind/solar energy are part of the mix regardless of context, that’s not disputed by anyone afaik.

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    When this started we gathered containers and filled them with snow

    now we have water for “force-flushing” toilets and buckets to wash yo ass
    (Apart from drinking water)

    havent had running water for days and electricity once every 12 hours which lasts for an hour at a time (1 hr on-12 hrs OFF)

    but we believe in “small gubmint”. And. (Gubmint is the problem so lets de-regulate and privatize everything”


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    funny when most of the problems come from the gas and coal plants being shut down

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    lol Trump supporter supporting the Trumpista narrative.

    Power is back out. What a glorious four hours.
    Are we rotating now?

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    Putting energy companies ahead of the public is an ideological choice. Like many policy choices, it has life and death consequences.



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    The uneducated opinions flow freely here

    Wind turbines up north get cold weather packages, obviously not for free else they'd all have it regardless. How many Texans own a snow plow attachment for their trucks? Not many, but up North a lot of citizens have the equivalent of cold weather packages on their vehicles. They have block warmers, heaters that don't rely on engine temp to produce heat, high idle adjustments, power converters in their vehicles, snow plow packages, etc... They have snow shovels in their garages. They have basements to keep their water pipes from freezing and they can actually get to the pipes to insulate them and/or heat their basement with fuel oil. Many have emergency power in the form of generators. Homes are build and insulated for those conditions. People prepare for the environment they live in, not the once in a lifetime anomaly that could possibly occur. I don't own a snow plow or a snow shovel. , I don't own an ice scraper. Every car I rent north of the frost line has an ice scraper inside. Try getting that in Florida.

    So if Texas would winter proof all their buildings, residences, power plants and solar/wind systems, they'd be prepared for these once in a lifetime events. Notably I also don't have a bomb shelter.

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    So, this event wouldn't be historic for MN.

    I think most of our fatalities during this event are vehicle accidents. I could be wrong.
    Well yeah as long as less people died from being frozen inside their own homes, we're ok

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    The uneducated opinions flow freely here

    Wind turbines up north get cold weather packages, obviously not for free else they'd all have it regardless. How many Texans own a snow plow attachment for their trucks? Not many, but up North a lot of citizens have the equivalent of cold weather packages on their vehicles. They have block warmers, heaters that don't rely on engine temp to produce heat, high idle adjustments, power converters in their vehicles, snow plow packages, etc... They have snow shovels in their garages. They have basements to keep their water pipes from freezing and they can actually get to the pipes to insulate them and/or heat their basement with fuel oil. Many have emergency power in the form of generators. Homes are build and insulated for those conditions. People prepare for the environment they live in, not the once in a lifetime anomaly that could possibly occur. I don't own a snow plow or a snow shovel. , I don't own an ice scraper. Every car I rent north of the frost line has an ice scraper inside. Try getting that in Florida.

    So if Texas would winter proof all their buildings, residences, power plants and solar/wind systems, they'd be prepared for these once in a lifetime events. Notably I also don't have a bomb shelter.
    Major outages happen in Texas about once every ten years. That' s too often.

    I agree that the consumer side can be improved for energy efficiency too, it's simplistic to put all the emphasis on public utilities and the regulators, even though they bear the primary responsibility for the debacle.

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    So if Texas would winter proof all their buildings, residences, power plants and solar/wind systems, they'd be prepared for these once in a lifetime events.
    It’s happened 3 times in the last 10 years.

    The uneducated opinions flow freely here
    Indeed

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    The amount of semen-shielding by the Texas bubbas for Abbot is embarrassing. please don't say anything mean about my Jewish Republican overlords I will gladly freeze to death so that they can cut corners and get a big bonus

    I just saw some re post a photo of a helicopter deicing a Wind Turbine using the hurr durr "we need fossil fuels to get us out of this mess talking point"...and the photo was years ago in Sweden. Abbot literally said offline, that the natural gas going offline is what caused this outage. These guys literally chose not to insulate the pipes to save money (on critical infrastructure nonetheless, it's not like we're talking about Cable TV), so that when sh!t hits the fan people literally freezing to death is ok as long as we save money. Yet the bootlickers will perpetually be sheep blindly led to the slaughter

    tbh I'm convinced that if Greg Abbot were to (figuratively) walk into their house and start banging their sister, these guys would retreat shamelessly to the computer by the bed and rant about how bad California is imo

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    lol Trump supporter supporting the Trumpista narrative.

    Power is back out. What a glorious four hours.
    Our hole power grid can't even handle a 35 degree day now. Still keep losing power over the kind of temperatures I go hiking in a T-shirt and shorts in.

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    i hope all you guys make out. i know the feeling of losing power. We are scheduled for another ice storm here in MD tomorrow morning into Friday. Hopefully we don't lose power because my apt is in the basement.

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