Nephew vs. Stephen Curry at their absolute peaks - who ya got?

[RD2191]

Curry has 1 ring without KD, revisionists gots in here. He'd be 1 and done if Green hadn't blown KD to join the Dubs. Kawhi has never played with a player of KD's caliber. (Tim is the GOAT but was way past his prime.) Kawhi is only 29 and already has 2 les, still has a long way to go before his career is over. Oh and I forgot about Kawhi's 2 Finals MVP's and DPOY. It isn't even a contest at this point.

[J_Paco]

Curry has 1 ring without KD, revisionists gots in here. He'd be 1 and done if Green hadn't blown KD to join the Dubs. Kawhi has never played with a player of KD's caliber. (Tim is the GOAT but was way past his prime.) Kawhi is only 29 and already has 2 les, still has a long way to go before his career is over. Oh and I forgot about Kawhi's 2 Finals MVP's and DPOY. It isn't even a contest at this point.

A le is a le, idiot. Does Dirk and KG only having one mean they weren't great?

Curry has three les to your boyfriend's two and that's all that the record books show.

Your argument is stupid and Curry's peak was historical, league shattering and groundbreaking. Nephew never, ever reached those heights and likely never will.

Go back to fapping to that Leonard poster on your wall......

Yes, because two Finals MVP's & one DPOY award is more significant to back - to - back MVP's and the Only unanimous MVP in league history....

[RD2191]

A le is a le, idiot. Does Dirk and KG only having one mean they weren't great?

Curry has three les to your boyfriend's two and that's all that the record books show.

Your argument is stupid and Curry's peak was historical, league shattering and groundbreaking. Nephew never, ever reached those heights and likely never will.

Go back to fapping to that Leonard poster on your wall......

Yes, because two Finals MVP's & one DPOY award is more significant to back - to - back MVP's and the Only unanimous MVP in league history....

Is Kawhi 29 yes or no? Does Kawhi have 2 les without a superstar playing alongside him? Yes or no?

[RD2191]

A le is a le, idiot. Does Dirk and KG only having one mean they weren't great?

Curry has three les to your boyfriend's two and that's all that the record books show.

Your argument is stupid and Curry's peak was historical, league shattering and groundbreaking. Nephew never, ever reached those heights and likely never will.

Go back to fapping to that Leonard poster on your wall......

Yes, because two Finals MVP's & one DPOY award is more significant to back - to - back MVP's and the Only unanimous MVP in league history....

Regular season accolades.

[RD2191]

Historical player carrying his team to an 8 seed currently.

[TD 21]

Context: S bag was traded into a dynasty (the last one) in progress and was still a mere role player in '14; the Warriors didn't face a single elite team in '15 due to historical opponent injury luck and '17-'19 are disgraceful, tainted les.

[south side spur]

^
You and Tricycle Jones have tried to spin what a great team Toronto had.
Check their record before and after Nephew.

And don't get me wrong, loved that Toronto supporting cast. Wish he would have stayed for the Repeat attempt.


Playoff P you lose all credibility.

Toronto Before Kawhi 2017-18 59 wins
With Kawhi 2018-19 58 wins
After Kawhi 2019-20 53 wins

[RD2191]

Context: S bag was traded into a dynasty (the last one) in progress and was still a mere role player in '14; the Warriors didn't face a single elite team in '15 due to historical opponent injury luck and '17-'19 are disgraceful, tainted les.

Excuses

[MultiTroll]

Curry literally broke the NBA & was the ONLY unanimous MVP in league history,

What do you mean Curry "broke" the NBA? Is this like Kwamye Kardashian claiming Kim "broke" the internet?
If you're talking about casual phan being swayed by ABC / Disney / NBA entertainment corporation, well okay.

"ONLY Unanimous MVP"?
Do you realize who the gots that vote for these awards are? Shaq was easily the MVP in 2000. This is a group that votes for Kirby Bryant as DPOY. Or an All Star member after he played 6 games for the tanking Lakers. Tim Duncan never won a DPOY award.
It's rigged, son.

[DMC]

What do you mean Curry "broke" the NBA? Is this like Kwamye Kardashian claiming Kim "broke" the internet?
If you're talking about casual phan being swayed by ABC / Disney / NBA entertainment corporation, well okay.

"ONLY Unanimous MVP"?
Do you realize who the gots that vote for these awards are? Shaq was easily the MVP in 2000. This is a group that votes for Kirby Bryant as DPOY. Or an All Star member after he played 6 games for the tanking Lakers. Tim Duncan never won a DPOY award.
It's rigged, son.

Curry changed how teams play in the NBA. Prior to his antics you didn't see 60 3's a game.

[Sugus]

Curry has 1 ring without KD, revisionists gots in here. He'd be 1 and done if Green hadn't blown KD to join the Dubs. Kawhi has never played with a player of KD's caliber. (Tim is the GOAT but was way past his prime.) Kawhi is only 29 and already has 2 les, still has a long way to go before his career is over. Oh and I forgot about Kawhi's 2 Finals MVP's and DPOY. It isn't even a contest at this point.

Is there anything other than the classic "if my aunt had balls..." that you can bring to this discussion? Seriously asking

Curry has 3 rings, Nephew has 2, both of them had incredible injury luck go their way to get (some of) them, it's a moot point. Hilarious that you say "Kawhi is only 29 and already has 3 les" as if Curry wasn't still also playing, and playing far better than Nephew is at the moment you really went off the rocker there...

Regular season accolades.

criticizing Curry's "regular season accolades" whilst simultaneously praising Nephew for his DPOY, a regular season accolade

It's alright, you can outright say you're a Kawhi slurper and biased in this discussion. I'd much rather have opinions from people who weren't so blind, tho

[Sugus]

No, you take a two - way big over everyone else.

Lmfao, btw, this made me laugh. Such an obvious answer to that question. Wing defense, whilst very important especially in today's perimeter-oriented game, will always pale in comparison to a big man's defense, the same way that a guard's defense will never be as impactful as those two (sorry DJ, you're probably never earning a DPOY no matter how much better you get... Vassell has a chance, though).

Which is exactly what makes people picking Nephew for his defense ridiculous. The transcendent offensive impact of Curry by far outweighs whatever defensive difference there is between him and Nephew. And in the modern NBA, I'm not sure I'd rather have any other player than Steph to start my franchise, tbh. Not only can he carry an offense by himself, he also gets teammates wide open all day due to his gravity, is a great distributor, and most importantly, a great teammate not shy of sacrificing his game and stats for the better of the team. Not like some diva we know all too well...

[MultiTroll]

Toronto Before Kawhi 2017-18 59 wins
With Kawhi 2018-19 58 wins
After Kawhi 2019-20 53 wins

Playoffs son.

Again i do think the supporting cast was very good. And yes 59 and 53 wins in regular season is nothing to sniff at.

[r0drig0lac]

Toronto Before Kawhi 2017-18 59 wins
With Kawhi 2018-19 58 wins
After Kawhi 2019-20 53 wins

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[J_Paco]

Is Kawhi 29 yes or no? Does Kawhi have 2 les without a superstar playing alongside him? Yes or no?

Regular season accolades.

You truly are stupid and not worth debating with.

Two Finals MVP's aren't more valuable than 2 straight league MVP's, but only an idiot like you would claim as such.

[J_Paco]

What do you mean Curry "broke" the NBA? Is this like Kwamye Kardashian claiming Kim "broke" the internet?
If you're talking about casual phan being swayed by ABC / Disney / NBA entertainment corporation, well okay.

"ONLY Unanimous MVP"?
Do you realize who the gots that vote for these awards are? Shaq was easily the MVP in 2000. This is a group that votes for Kirby Bryant as DPOY. Or an All Star member after he played 6 games for the tanking Lakers. Tim Duncan never won a DPOY award.
It's rigged, son.

Too stupid to understand how Curry has fundamentally altered how NBA basketball is played. Got it...

Wow, now using the "the votes are rigged" excuse as if that carries any weight with Curry's 2 MVP seasons. A 6'2" guard was more dominant those two seasons (if those are his peak) than at any point in Leonard's career, period.

Moronic, Kawhi slurpers still infesting this board and thread.....

[duncan2k5]

peak to peak? about equal, aldridge in the east conf against the warriors cripple run? probably the same. Aldridge was very good and just needed elite shooters. Ball hog iso klaw supressed his value. He took a team with fathead as a starter to the playoffs which is equal to a championship

Equal? Smfh...ok bro...crippled eastern conference Kawhi beat the brakes off everyone...imagine if he wasn't limping his way through the playoffs...I'd take cripple Kawhi over prime LMA...prime LMA never did in the league... couldn't sniff a conference finals, nevertheless win a ring

[duncan2k5]

Nephew doesn't make anybody better, that's probably the biggest knock... on the other hand, Curry made average to poor talent like Draymond Green or Harrison Barnes look like All-Stars, tbh

Doesn't make anybody better? He turned a washed up, laughing stock raptors team and made them look MUCH better than they actually we're...ppl stopped laughing at playoff Lowry...Mar Gasol fell ALL the way off when he left...he made ppl say Pascal was a superstar, now look where Pascal is now that there's no Kawhi...our team lost a 20+ point lead in less than 2 quarters when he went down

[duncan2k5]

I'm laughing my ass off at this revisionist history...

1. The notion that Toronto was some powerhouse when the entire NBA laughed at them every year, and Spurs fans mocked Kawhi and said his career had a wasted season when he was traded there...they were laughing stocks before and after Kawhi left, and all the players were worse before he got there and worse when he left.

2. Curry not only performed poorly in every championship run, but every ring he won, he faced a team with significant injuries... No one brings that up, but ppl mad that an injured Kawhi beat a team with 4 hall of famers (with one injured... Klay played every game except 1...) And not only beat them, but DOMINATED them... One game was even given away by Nick nurse with that horrible timeout

3. Someone said an old Serge Ibaka was as good as prime Chris Bosh... How do u even address that?

4. Blaming Kawhi for Spurs losing in 15 and 16, but saying the 14 finals win was more about the team than his contributions is hilarious... Anyone who watched the 15 and 16 playoffs could see that pop had no idea how to guard the pick and roll... Yet no one blames Duncan for having Blake Griffin look like Hakeem (nor should they... Our defensive schemes were trash)... Duncan struggled in several playoff runs but we ignore it because we like him... In 16 pop refused to play a lineup that could rebound... LMA and David West were getting ed on the boards after every OKC miss

[JamStone]

Who was Golden State’s 4th hall of famer?

[ElNono]

Doesn't make anybody better? He turned a washed up, laughing stock raptors team and made them look MUCH better than they actually we're...ppl stopped laughing at playoff Lowry...Mar Gasol fell ALL the way off when he left...he made ppl say Pascal was a superstar, now look where Pascal is now that there's no Kawhi...our team lost a 20+ point lead in less than 2 quarters when he went down

Who said anything about Toronto not being a terrible team? Marc Gasol wasn’t better than he was in Memphis when nephew came around. Lowry wasn’t better either. The only reason people stopped laughing at him is because nephew carried him through the playoffs.

Again, nobody argued that Toronto wasn’t a better team with him, what I said is he doesn’t make his teammates better. That’s something Steph did well because he’s much less of an ISO guy and his 3 point range opens up the floor for other players.

[JamStone]

I think with both players, you can attempt to discredit their successes by mentioning context of their successes. With Steph, he had another star player in Klay and then another superstar player in KD to make things easier, and he never did enough in a Finals series to win Finals MVP, in what, five chances. So some people will discredit what he’s done because of those things. And with Kawhi, his first championship and Finals MVP was when he was still for the most part a young role player, while his second was on a team that had the best record in the East the previous season without him, and he helped them win in a LeBron-less Eastern Conference and then against an injured Warriors team in the Finals. Those are not inconsequential factors either.

There’s legitimacy in both sets of arguments. It doesn’t mean either player isn’t still great. Just adding context to the stories of each of their successes respectively. How you weight each of those factors when you evaluate his or his greatness is up to each his own.

I think they’re comparable franchise stars. Both great. Neither flawless. At peak, I do lean towards Curry. But it’s not like I’d be disappointed if I was stuck with Kawhi instead.

[Collins21]

I'm laughing my ass off at this revisionist history...

1. The notion that Toronto was some powerhouse when the entire NBA laughed at them every year, and Spurs fans mocked Kawhi and said his career had a wasted season when he was traded there...they were laughing stocks before and after Kawhi left, and all the players were worse before he got there and worse when he left.

2. Curry not only performed poorly in every championship run, but every ring he won, he faced a team with significant injuries... No one brings that up, but ppl mad that an injured Kawhi beat a team with 4 hall of famers (with one injured... Klay played every game except 1...) And not only beat them, but DOMINATED them... One game was even given away by Nick nurse with that horrible timeout

3. Someone said an old Serge Ibaka was as good as prime Chris Bosh... How do u even address that?

4. Blaming Kawhi for Spurs losing in 15 and 16, but saying the 14 finals win was more about the team than his contributions is hilarious... Anyone who watched the 15 and 16 playoffs could see that pop had no idea how to guard the pick and roll... Yet no one blames Duncan for having Blake Griffin look like Hakeem (nor should they... Our defensive schemes were trash)... Duncan struggled in several playoff runs but we ignore it because we like him... In 16 pop refused to play a lineup that could rebound... LMA and David West were getting ed on the boards after every OKC miss

Yeah LaMarcus and David West were definitely the reason we lost lol. No we would have been up 2-0 if Kawhi would have shown up in game 2 but he shrunk. Also we would have been up 3-1 if he would have answered KD's run in the 2nd half of game 4. No that series wasn't all Kawhi's fault but to act like he didn't have a big hand in it is ridiculous. The Clippers series is just a dumb arguement because you're trying to blame Duncan. My lasting Image from that series is Duncan being the best player on floor for most of that series. Kawhi was outplayed by Belinelli in game 6 and was outplayed by Duncan in game 7 those are the facts.

[MultiTroll]

Too stupid to understand how Curry has fundamentally altered how NBA basketball is played. Got it...

Wow, now using the "the votes are rigged" excuse as if that carries any weight with Curry's 2 MVP seasons. A 6'2" guard was more dominant those two seasons (if those are his peak) than at any point in Leonard's career, period.

"Curry alone fundamentally altered how NBA basketball is played."?

NBA has been shooting 3 pointers since Larry Bird. Most years the Warriors did not take the most 3 point attempts and they don't even hold the most attempted all time. Houston with chucking Harden and also Cleveland is right there with the Warriors. As far as releasing the ball quickly, yes Golden State emphasized beginning with Kerr. Curry was hardly the only Golden got doing this, altho he was the most effective yes.

Notorious and obvious cheating screens, Donkey being allowed to hack at will, etc was the bread and butter of the Warriors.
Yes, with all those advantages Currys shooting was still fantastic. Not so when the pressure was on.

After lucking into Kyrie Irvings broken kneecap, your Warriors were beaten in 2016 by the Cavs. 2017 Kawhi was well on his way to ass raping your overated Warriors. That is the best example of Prime head to head. Regular season Spurs also won the series and Fluff Ball three chucking was not happening.

[MultiTroll]

It doesn’t mean either player isn’t still great.

Both great. Neither flawless.

This.