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    i dont know what you guys are seeing with Tre tbh... he just looks like a slow CoJo. cant really turn the corner on offense. isnt a shooting threat. heady defender, sure, but he just looks like dead weight on the other side.

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    Just like CoJo, right?


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    Just like CoJo, right?

    One of my favorite plays from 2014. I do think that created a spark for the team as a whole.

    I also love Manu's face like "I didn't know he could do that?"

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    Tre is going to have to work on his shooting but as we always say, we got Chip.

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    im not hitting any panic alarms on Tre, he's still young obviously. but i dont see him as being ready to be a rotation player right now, at all... yet people are talking about him as though he should be playing 20 mpg in the big leagues. i just dont see it

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    Considering they were 5 games over .500 with a -0.4 point differential, they were due for a losing streak despite what was a mostly favorable upcoming schedule.

    Still, the timing and the players lost couldn't have been worse and was again typical of the post '14 Spurs, where bad news is seemingly always lurking.

    With a brutal 40 games in 68 days post All-Star break and essentially 11 teams vying for 10 spots, no matter their state, losing a tight game to arguably the least talented team in the league is a significant setback.

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    Just like CoJo, right?

    You got me there. I almost forgot that poster dunk on Ibaka

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    YEAH R. DeMurre Shut up, nerd!!!


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    This game more than any other game needed Lonny focused on scoring. Man he had me cursing the screen. Lost count the amount of times he passed it off after driving into the keyway. He looked to score on maybe 1 drive when he made the athletic layup towards the end.

    That scorers mentality is gone.

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    This game more than any other game needed Lonny focused on scoring. Man he had me cursing the screen. Lost count the amount of times he passed it off after driving into the keyway. He looked to score on maybe 1 drive when he made the athletic layup towards the end.

    That scorers mentality is gone.
    I shook my head as well several times ... wish he would have the same mentality as earlier in the season when Demar was missing two games

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    This game more than any other game needed Lonny focused on scoring. Man he had me cursing the screen. Lost count the amount of times he passed it off after driving into the keyway. He looked to score on maybe 1 drive when he made the athletic layup towards the end.

    That scorers mentality is gone.
    Posters here will have you believe that it was never there, just because it'd mean Pop might have ed up his confidence and development...

    I'm starting to wonder whether he's too far gone already. At this point, it's clear he needs a change of air of some sort (preferably a new coach... Sadly, maybe a new team) to get back on track. Or just a really long, focused off-season, whichever does the trick.

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    aren't the stands empty due to COVID...? Such a wack-ass league with these random fines

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    aren't the stands empty due to COVID...? Such a wack-ass league with these random fines


    "I can't kick Patty, so I'll kick this ing ball instead!"

    I swear it looks like he was aiming for Patty then pivoted for the ball at the last second...

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    I hadn't noticed the kick until I saw the tweet a few minutes ago, lol

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    "I can't kick Patty, so I'll kick this ing ball instead!"

    I swear it looks like he was aiming for Patty then pivoted for the ball at the last second...
    LMFAO, thanks for the link. I hadn't noticed the incident either, hilarious , and though I still don't agree with it, I can see the reasoning behind the fine. Having said that, it's good to see DJ showing some emotion after that air-sucking loss.... The rest of the team looked so lethargic and defeated, it's good that DJ's visibly pissed. I'd love to see what went down in the locker room afterwards, tbh.

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    Considering they were 5 games over .500 with a -0.4 point differential, they were due for a losing streak despite what was a mostly favorable upcoming schedule.

    Still, the timing and the players lost couldn't have been worse and was again typical of the post '14 Spurs, where bad news is seemingly always lurking.

    With a brutal 40 games in 68 days post All-Star break and essentially 11 teams vying for 10 spots, no matter their state, losing a tight game to arguably the least talented team in the league is a significant setback.
    Well said!!

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    Posters here will have you believe that it was never there, just because it'd mean Pop might have ed up his confidence and development...

    I'm starting to wonder whether he's too far gone already. At this point, it's clear he needs a change of air of some sort (preferably a new coach... Sadly, maybe a new team) to get back on track. Or just a really long, focused off-season, whichever does the trick.
    Not sure either .. change of surroundings might be the tonic . Can tell Pop is in his head for sure

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    Posters here will have you believe that it was never there, just because it'd mean Pop might have ed up his confidence and development...

    I'm starting to wonder whether he's too far gone already. At this point, it's clear he needs a change of air of some sort (preferably a new coach... Sadly, maybe a new team) to get back on track. Or just a really long, focused off-season, whichever does the trick.
    https://www.thestepien.com/lonnie-walker/

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    • Stops short of getting all the way to the rim too often in advantage situation attacks and doesn’t get into the teeth of the defense in self-creation situations.
    • Lacks purpose as a dribbler, self-creator and passer. Will aimlessly kill his dribble with driving lanes present, take pull-up jumpers on switches with better options available and a lot of his passes don’t bend the defense.
    Last edited by rankingtear; 02-27-2021 at 09:28 AM.

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    https://www.thestepien.com/lonnie-walker/

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    • Stops short of getting all the way to the rim too often in advantage situation attacks and doesn’t get into the teeth of the defense in self-creation situations.
    • Lacks purpose as a dribbler, self-creator and passer. Will aimlessly kill his dribble with driving lanes present,
    Just reading that raises my blood pressure. WTF LONNIE

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    https://www.thestepien.com/lonnie-walker/

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    • Stops short of getting all the way to the rim too often in advantage situation attacks and doesn’t get into the teeth of the defense in self-creation situations.
    • Lacks purpose as a dribbler, self-creator and passer. Will aimlessly kill his dribble with driving lanes present,
    Have you been watching?

    With the second weakness it aint a weakness no more... hes finding those driving lanes but overpassing. Needs to get back to looking to score.. Currently moreso than ever spurs needs his scoring... thats the infuriating part and that development has kind of stalled.

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    However, the fact that the light never fully went on for Walker is disconcerting. He looks better as a prospect when you look at the micro projectable components of his game such as his shooting and on-ball defense, but when you step back to look at his game in a macro-sense playing within a team construct especially contributing to winning, his lack of instincts on both ends and dicey on-ball creation dynamism paints a more skeptical picture. The reality is Walker is going to have to become a knockdown high volume 3-point shooter to justify him going in the lottery area, and while he has some sneaky Donovan Mitc mechanics upside that isn’t buttressed by the stats (emphasis on only the shooting mechanics element here), that aspect of his game also isn’t a shoe-in. In the 20s range Walker has some two-way appeal, especially if he goes to the right development situation, but as a riskier shot-dependent prospect, he has a low floor.

    — Cole Zwicker, 5.3.18

    On point analysis by Cole on Lonnie. The volume 3 point shooting is what's keeping him afloat right now.

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    Have you been watching?

    With the second weakness it aint a weakness no more... hes finding those driving lanes but overpassing. Needs to get back to looking to score.. Currently moreso than ever spurs needs his scoring... thats the infuriating part and that development has kind of stalled.
    Sorry didn't paste the whole thing,
    • Lacks purpose as a dribbler, self-creator and passer. Will aimlessly kill his dribble with driving lanes present, take pull-up jumpers on switches with better options available and a lot of his passes don’t bend the defense.


    Yeah he decreased his mid range attempts, although he had one last game, don't recall if he had an open lane.

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    Posters here will have you believe that it was never there, just because it'd mean Pop might have ed up his confidence and development...

    I'm starting to wonder whether he's too far gone already. At this point, it's clear he needs a change of air of some sort (preferably a new coach... Sadly, maybe a new team) to get back on track. Or just a really long, focused off-season, whichever does the trick.
    I still don't buy that "Pop ed up his confidence".

    He gave him a starting position. He's given him a green light to shoot or create. He puts him in rotations where Walker SHOULD be the most aggressive person on the floor...and instead he just fades into the background any time he hits a tiny bit of resistance.

    At a certain point, it's on Lonnie to look himself in the mirror and decide what kind of player he wants to be. Pop isn't the one making him throw the ball back out to the three-point line when he has a wide open lane to the hoop.

    Pop is hard on Walker for defensive mistakes, and rightfully so. But the offense is all in Lonnie's head right now, and that's not all Pop's fault.

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    https://www.thestepien.com/lonnie-walker/

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    • Stops short of getting all the way to the rim too often in advantage situation attacks and doesn’t get into the teeth of the defense in self-creation situations.
    • Lacks purpose as a dribbler, self-creator and passer. Will aimlessly kill his dribble with driving lanes present, take pull-up jumpers on switches with better options available and a lot of his passes don’t bend the defense.
    First, it's inaccurate to say Lonnie lacks purpose at dribbling at this point, when his problems are much more finishing-related. He can and does perfectly get to the rim whenever he wants (perhaps the most infuriating aspect in all of this), but coughs the ball up at the last second. There's a difference. He also doesn't "kill his dribble" like described in that scouting report, or well, he doesn't do it to a point that I notice it as a heavy flaw in his game. Definitely do point out recent instances when he's done it, because to me, it doesn't look like a present problem. Again, his troubles lie elsewhere.

    And the notable aspect, that I was ever alluding to, is that he's playing notably worse than he ever did last season. His confidence is even lower than it was when he was getting benched for Forbes. His decisiveness when faced with the rim is gone, whereas last season, he rarely passed it out, instead his problem being he was shying away from contact, which made him always try over-acrobatic layups when a simple one would've done the trick. But that pass, pass, PASS! instinct? That was never there, and I'll (verbally) fight any poster who says otherwise, because it's simply not true.

    Overall, that report doesn't address Lonnie's current problems, which is to be expected, but also makes posting that kind of pointless (to the point I was making ofc).

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