Thanks for explaining this, I didn't quite get it either.
I’m not an oil and gas expert either. I have a brother in law who is. When I read the articles and they said freezing did occur at well heads etc I reasoned it out already understanding that we have solid methane hydrate on the sea floor. And then further articles made it clear.
And unbelievably you did not attempt to google and quickly read, spout out your gas about gas laws, while not understanding the full picture ala our Science expert DMDunningKreuger.
Its about to get more severe.Jesus DMC is butthurt
The natural gas on seafloors freezes as methane hydrate.
But the idea of frozen gas is not new like dry ice. You pressurize it and cool it. And this costs money as well.
Water is very prevalent almost everywhere so it’s highly possible many things that don’t normally freeze up did so with water present.
Edit: for Winehole
Gas under lower pressure would have even less heat to begin with. You insinuated that gas pressure above atmospheric would experience freezing sooner. You're a .
I get the feeling you never actually worked with any of this , you just talk about it online and maybe saw it in school.
Last edited by DMC; 03-07-2021 at 02:25 PM.
You fkn dunce.
Gas under lower pressure would have even less heat to begin with. You insinuated that gas pressure above atmospheric would experience freezing sooner. You're a .
I get the feeling you never actually worked with any of this , you just talk about it online and maybe saw it in school.
YOU PUT the gas under high pressure so the molecules have a chance to interact and bind. This can be done by decreasing the volume the gas is in or adding a lot of gas molecules and lowering the temp or said another way, removing heat energy. The gas molecules will not normally bind because they have too much kinetic energy which is really what temp is a measure of. So remove heat energy which lowers the temp and give molecules that do not normally bind at STP a chance to bind. If the molecules are dense thus right next to each other and not moving as quickly, intermolecular forces have a chance to make the gas a solid. Then you keep the pressure up and remove, for example the cake of CO2, dry ice. When a gas becomes a solid you will lose pressure but there should be more gas around to keep the pressure high. Just keep the temp down to keep the molecules from moving quickly.
YOU CAN HAVE COLD gas that has a high pressure and NOT HAVE a high temp because a lack of heat energy. The packed gas molecules move much more slowly but still have a high pressure because there are a of a lot of gas molecules moving slowly and hitting the container they are in ... cabbage for brains.
And your bolded is totally rubbish and again an attempt to misstate what I have said because you stepped in again.
YOU have a feeling... no you dont, you dont know .
And no I do not work with this very much anymore. But if you do, you do not know your .
Last edited by pgardn; 03-07-2021 at 03:50 PM. Reason: and STP to at STP
Of course.
Concentrate on a misspelling to make yourself feel better.
You... are a clown.
Just stop posting stuff you dont know.
Stick to guns and the 2nd ammendment.
Your models of gases to solids absolutely sucks.
And now he wants the flogging.
Not sure what you two are arguing about. But, if you drop the pressure on a gas cylinder, the temperature will drop. The simplest example is a can of compressed air you use to clean electronics. Can gets super cold as the pressure drops.
You said "gas lines get hotter that are exposed to cold air"
then you proceeded to say they have their heat removed from them (somehow getting hotter in the process it seems) then become cold (while getting hotter).
That's some acid trippy .
I think you were exposed to something toxic, maybe got a face full of AsH3 or something. It's evident you spend an inordinate amount of time on physics forums playing scientist.
no
Yes.
Do you know why the temp drops?
Yes the fkn air was cold you stupid clown. Cold air removes heat, especially if it is moving rapidly.
Amendment: It got cold at the gas wells. Did this just totally pass you by? WE HAD COLD WEATHER! Good lord...
YOu are a fkn clown.
Where did I state this?
If I did it was a big mistake.
Point it out.
The rest is just you playing the same games of changing what I wrote.
Point it out.
YOu are such a disingenuous piece of old man.
Actually you are a lying piece of .
Went back and looked.
Gas in lines get hotter that are exposed to COLD AIR have heat removed from them and become cold
Gas in lines that get hotter because they are pressurized and then get exposed to cold air have heat removed from them and turn cold.
YOu left a whole part of the sentence out. and in fairness that is THEN... should have been put in instead of jumped over but should be obvious from the last part.
I can see where you might have misunderstood.
But you absolutely knew what I was saying on the whole otherwise the rest does not fit in.
Everything I have stated still stands.
Gas can freeze. ANd if Ercot had heated their lines etc... this problem would not have occurred.
Last edited by pgardn; 03-07-2021 at 07:40 PM.
Next post cleared it up.
You are again in the business of trying to confuse arguments you take the L in.
So I take it back. You are a disingenuous piece of .
Just watched a video on it. The physics are not exactly what I thought. The can of compressed air example isn't really relevant here. My bad
No its really cool... literally.
You reminded me of this with shaving cream in the shower.
If you shake a can of shaving cream and then expose it to to the hot water from the shower it turns much colder because of a larger temp drop due to heating and shaking and the loss of shaving cream taking heat with it making the can feel very cold. then I remember trying this with something like silly string? and it getting so cold in froze water from the air that "landed" on the can (it was just water from the air condensing to liquid and then freezing. And then it took me back to remembering about compressors and air conditioning and such.
When you physically feel something happen like your hand get cold unexpectedly it makes a huge impression when you are younger and then a big wtf... and off you go. These kind of unexpected events are really important for adults and kids and are really important as teasers to learn more imo.
I was thinking about the Joule–Thomson effect that I learned in thermodynamics. Those little cans of compressed air (they're really liquid+gas) have a slightly different physical mechanism.
The water froze, the gas did not. It didn't get -295
Regardless, we need to winterize that , even for extremely rare events.
Methane freezes at -295 at STP you wad.The water froze, the gas did not. It didn't get -295
It freezes on the bottom of the ocean as a hyrdrate.
Do you think the ocean reaches -295 you dolt?
Jesus you're a special kind of stupid, the proud kind.
The gas lines weren't at the bottom of the ocean. Talk about what happens on Mars.
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