Who would Orlando want for Nikola Vucevic?

[Seventyniner]

There is a legit argument that Poeltl is better than Vuc, but by that same extension, there's a legit argument that Vuc is better. And while the per-minute stats aren't close, the overall stats are way closer because Poeltl doesn't seem as capable of playing big minutes consistently.

Folks upthread were arguing that the Spurs have the perimeter defenders to make up for the expected defensive drop-off. If acquiring Vuc was just straight-up for Poeltl, I think you could make a good argument that it's the better long-term play. The players are close enough to where you keep the guy you have and use the assets on a position of greater need. Basically a player at any other position could start with the core guys just fine except for another center.

That's why my original idea was Poeltl + Gay + 1st for Vucevic. I don't think the Spurs should be giving up much more than that because Poeltl should be as easy to build around on defense as Vucevic is on offense. I also think that the Magic will get much better offers, so most likely either the Spurs will give up more than I want them to, or they won't get Vucevic at all.

[Chinook]

That's why my original idea was Poeltl + Gay + 1st for Vucevic. I don't think the Spurs should be giving up much more than that because Poeltl should be as easy to build around on defense as Vucevic is on offense. I also think that the Magic will get much better offers, so most likely either the Spurs will give up more than I want them to, or they won't get Vucevic at all.

Yeah, to me, this would be an overpayment. Poeltl is worth a least a first by himself. I doubt any team in serious trade discussions with Orlando is going to give them a player nearly as good. The only way I include the pick is if it's like the Toronto pick they sent for Kawhi: top-20 protected for the one year and then seconds. We'll see what the Magic ends up taking, but as I've said the Spurs have more options, both now and in the upcoming summer.

[TheGreatYacht]

A team focusing on youth and that is still more than 1 piece away should not target a 30yr old

[R. DeMurre]

All the arguments for Poeltl over Vucevic are nearly identical to the ones in the Conley over DeRozan debate. Interesting.

That's kinda why I don't see a need for DeRozan or Vucevic on the Spurs.

Wut? Most of us aren't saying Poeltl is obviously better than Vucevic.

You literally posted There's a legit argument that Poeltl is better than Vuc right now and then followed it up with Seriously. When it comes to per-minute impact, it's not even close.


If I was wrong in reading that as you saying that Poeltl was better than Vuc, then I apologize.

There is a legit argument that Poeltl is better than Vuc, but by that same extension, there's a legit argument that Vuc is better.

[TheGreatYacht]

We gotta start permabanning people that don’t watch games and only look at worthless metrics. Yikes. I thought the Poeltl/Gobert comparisons were embarrassing.. The useless stiff isn’t even worthy of warming up Vucevic’s seat on the bench.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Here's Patty giving an example of what makes Poeltl special beyond the box score. Answer: screen assists.

Nice video. Thanks for this share.

This is exactly what I wrote: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...3#post10344183

..when naysayers, including timvp were talking about paying him $5 million or less and letting him go for a generic minimum salary center. Poeltl is a vital component of the youth core and he helps the young ones both on offense and defense. There is no way he can be traded out for Vucevic. If the Spurs are desperate to land Vucevic, they have to get him while holding on to Poeltl and giving up on Eubanks and Lonnie plus Aldridge's expiring. Vucevic will lift the Spurs' floor next season but not the ceiling ..only Samanic's development will help in that respect.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Just to add to the previous post and to repeat myself - the Spurs' best offering for Vucevic should be Aldridge, Lonnie, Eubanks, 2021 1st round pick and the rights to Nikola Milutinov (Europe's best center now, right?). Thats a decent return for a rebuilding Magic squad that will be built around Jonathan Isaac. The Spurs could add second round picks too. If the Magic don't bite, the Spurs can deal with the Celtics, Cavs or Blazers to get something in return for Aldridge. If none works, they can simply buy him out and gain cap space. The options aren't all bad.

[BacktoBasics]

Just to add to the previous post and to repeat myself - the Spurs' best offering for Vucevic should be Aldridge, Lonnie, Eubanks, 2021 1st round pick and the rights to Nikola Milutinov (Europe's best center now, right?). Thats a decent return for a rebuilding Magic squad that will be built around Jonathan Isaac. The Spurs could add second round picks too. If the Magic don't bite, the Spurs can deal with the Celtics, Cavs or Blazers to get something in return for Aldridge. If none works, they can simply buy him out and gain cap space. The options aren't all bad.

Giving up a 1st and Lonnie for another Aldridge situation seems really stupid. You’re going to get 2 years out of Vuc at best. Then he’s going to fall off a cliff. Honestly Aldridge lasted longer than most.

Vuc isn’t going to move the needle enough for us to justify giving up two valuable commodities.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Giving up a 1st and Lonnie for another Aldridge situation seems really stupid. You’re going to get 2 years out of Vuc at best. Then he’s going to fall off a cliff. Honestly Aldridge lasted longer than most.

Vuc isn’t going to move the needle enough for us to justify giving up two valuable commodities.

Vucevic will lift the floor for the team, which is currently a play-in shoo-in with the lot as of now. If Vucevic joins the Spurs, he will add a potent offensive weapon to the starting unit while Poeltl will play spot minutes. That should be good enough to make the playoffs. Thirdly, his salaries drop in the next two years and he is 30 and at his peak, so he is no Aldridge at the late end of his career.

Now, if the Spurs do want Vucevic, they have to get the Magic to bite on a decent deal with a mixture of expirings and young talent. Short of selling anyone from the core of White, Murray, Keldon, Vassell, Samanic and Poeltl, this is the best option. Walker has underperformed relative to his potential and the Magic might think that its the case because of the guard glut with the Spurs. Given a greater reign at SG, he might do better. Besides the Spurs can spare that money to be paid to him from 2022 onwards for Keldon.

The Spurs need an all-star to go and help its young core. They can't forever hoard mid-late first round picks and expect development alone to push them to the top. Vucevic seems to be a modern big who fits the bill for the short-term. The Spurs can let go of Aldridge and try to woo free-agents in the offseason with cap space, but with most stars/ superstars already set in their respective teams with long contracts and the only ones remaining - Beal for e.g. being mostly guards, a position that is well filled within the Spurs, I think they will take Vucevic if they can get him. I doubt it though; the Magic are more likely to trade Gordon / Fournier than Vucevic, is what I feel.

[PrimeMinister]

We gotta start permabanning people that don’t watch games and only look at worthless metrics. Yikes. I thought the Poeltl/Gobert comparisons were embarrassing.. The useless stiff isn’t even worthy of warming up Vucevic’s seat on the bench.

we gotta start permabanning people who watch one game after a lay off and choose to make sweeping assessments of the players ability based on that one game or match up

[exstatic]

Vucevic will lift the floor for the team, which is currently a play-in shoo-in with the lot as of now. If Vucevic joins the Spurs, he will add a potent offensive weapon to the starting unit while Poeltl will play spot minutes. That should be good enough to make the playoffs. Thirdly, his salaries drop in the next two years and he is 30 and at his peak, so he is no Aldridge at the late end of his career.

Now, if the Spurs do want Vucevic, they have to get the Magic to bite on a decent deal with a mixture of expirings and young talent. Short of selling anyone from the core of White, Murray, Keldon, Vassell, Samanic and Poeltl, this is the best option. Walker has underperformed relative to his potential and the Magic might think that its the case because of the guard glut with the Spurs. Given a greater reign at SG, he might do better. Besides the Spurs can spare that money to be paid to him from 2022 onwards for Keldon.

The Spurs need an all-star to go and help its young core. They can't forever hoard mid-late first round picks and expect development alone to push them to the top. Vucevic seems to be a modern big who fits the bill for the short-term. The Spurs can let go of Aldridge and try to woo free-agents in the offseason with cap space, but with most stars/ superstars already set in their respective teams with long contracts and the only ones remaining - Beal for e.g. being mostly guards, a position that is well filled within the Spurs, I think they will take Vucevic if they can get him. I doubt it though; the Magic are more likely to trade Gordon / Fournier than Vucevic, is what I feel.

All Stars can be impactful, or not. Bradley Beal is an All Star, and he can’t even take a team to the playoffs in the Leastern Conference. I’m not sold on Vuc’s impact. If he struggles too much on defense, we’ll have to rein in the ball hawking players like DJ and Vassell simply to cover his ass. That’s impactful, but in the wrong direction.

[BacktoBasics]

Vucevic will lift the floor for the team, which is currently a play-in shoo-in with the lot as of now. If Vucevic joins the Spurs, he will add a potent offensive weapon to the starting unit while Poeltl will play spot minutes. That should be good enough to make the playoffs. Thirdly, his salaries drop in the next two years and he is 30 and at his peak, so he is no Aldridge at the late end of his career.

Now, if the Spurs do want Vucevic, they have to get the Magic to bite on a decent deal with a mixture of expirings and young talent. Short of selling anyone from the core of White, Murray, Keldon, Vassell, Samanic and Poeltl, this is the best option. Walker has underperformed relative to his potential and the Magic might think that its the case because of the guard glut with the Spurs. Given a greater reign at SG, he might do better. Besides the Spurs can spare that money to be paid to him from 2022 onwards for Keldon.

The Spurs need an all-star to go and help its young core. They can't forever hoard mid-late first round picks and expect development alone to push them to the top. Vucevic seems to be a modern big who fits the bill for the short-term. The Spurs can let go of Aldridge and try to woo free-agents in the offseason with cap space, but with most stars/ superstars already set in their respective teams with long contracts and the only ones remaining - Beal for e.g. being mostly guards, a position that is well filled within the Spurs, I think they will take Vucevic if they can get him. I doubt it though; the Magic are more likely to trade Gordon / Fournier than Vucevic, is what I feel.

The whole idea that Walker has under performed relative to his potential is another great ST misnomer. Spurs tend to take a very measured path to developing players vs other teams that like to throw guys into the fire and see if they can pan themselves out.

Additionally if you look at where he was drafted and his age I’d say he’s fared above average production wise.

This place loves calling guys who don’t immediately become impactful load carrying players underachieving and a detriment to the team.

Sure we all wish Lonnie would be averaging 18ppg pushing for a 6th man award but look at his progress defensively and you can see he’s on the right path. He’s got a solid 7-10 years ahead of him if he barely improved from where he’s at today. Then you want to add a 1st on top of that for a player who “raises our floor” from what? The 8th seed to the 5th... for at best 2-3 years.

That is exactly how franchises bury themselves in mediocrity for half a decade. There’s a time and a place for making trades like that. If we were borderline contending I’d probably agree but that is not a practical trade that improves our current situation enough to justify leveraging a young rotation player and 1st.

[r0drig0lac]

We gotta start permabanning people that don’t watch games and only look at worthless metrics. Yikes. I thought the Poeltl/Gobert comparisons were embarrassing.. The useless stiff isn’t even worthy of warming up Vucevic’s seat on the bench.

these comparisons with simply MUCH better players like Vucevic and Gobert are terrible and nobody should say something like that out of spurstalk.

[Dejounte]

these comparisons with simply MUCH better players like Vucevic and Gobert are terrible and nobody should say something like that out of spurstalk.

Yeah, because you don't see any other ty takes on Spurstalk like the person you quoted who rants about white NBA players like a dumb racist.

It's hilarious how some people here would rather side with the troll. The collective IQ of people on this board must be ing low. Is it the public education system in San Antonio? Or are you actually quoting yourself here because *plot twist* this is your alt and you're a schizo?

[r0drig0lac]

Yeah, because you don't see any other ty takes on Spurstalk like the person you quoted who rants about white NBA players like a dumb racist.

this is really your problem and that of the person quoted, I have nothing to do with this only with Jakob's delusional comparisons with two proven stars.

It's hilarious how some people here would rather side with the troll. The collective IQ of people on this board must be ing low. Is it the public education system in San Antonio? Or are you actually quoting yourself here because *plot twist* this is your alt and you're a schizo?

this is the point where you for some personal reason are living and projecting too much on spurstalk, creating scenarios in your head, again, just your problem, i dont care.

[Dejounte]

this is really your problem and that of the person quoted, I have nothing to do with this only with Jakob's delusional comparisons with two proven stars.





this is the point where you for some personal reason are living and projecting too much on spurstalk, creating scenarios in your head, again, just your problem, i dont care.

It isn't projecting. It's well known there's an individual here or a group of dweebs who get a rise out of trolling ST as a result of this forum being unmoderated. These idiots thrive on insubstantial conversation and drive any logic out the window because of their piss poor education. Pretty sure this GreatYacht goober is a truck driver who logs on here to talk because he's a ing loser.

[r0drig0lac]

It isn't projecting. It's well known there's an individual here or a group of dweebs who get a rise out of trolling ST as a result of this forum being unmoderated. These idiots thrive on insubstantial conversation and drive any logic out the window because of their piss poor education. Pretty sure this GreatYacht goober is a truck driver who logs on here to talk because he's a ing loser.

maybe yes, maybe not, i don't really care, i don't seek approval from other people on an anonymous forum, I agree (or disagree) with the ideas, not with the people, if someone agrees or disagrees 100% with another person, there is a real problem there, or he is a follower, or a hater.

[TheGreatYacht]

Yeah, because you don't see any other ty takes on Spurstalk like the person you quoted who rants about white NBA players like a dumb racist.

It's hilarious how some people here would rather side with the troll. The collective IQ of people on this board must be ing low. Is it the public education system in San Antonio? Or are you actually quoting yourself here because *plot twist* this is your alt and you're a schizo?

Take my out your mouth, got.

Seek mental help if you think there’s people with alts on this forum. A ton of people on you because your takes are vanilla and you’ve yet to had a good take. Take that pom pom to Reddit, you’ll fit in with the soy boys perfectly

[Sugus]

these comparisons with simply MUCH better players like Vucevic and Gobert are terrible and nobody should say something like that out of spurstalk.

I'm sorry, but what? Why is a comparison between Poeltl and Gobert "terrible"? They're literally two of the most similar players in the league at what they do, playstyle-wise; both absolute no-players in terms of perimeter skills, both top-of-the-league screen-setters, both used primarily as offensive PnR bigs and finishers, then defensively as defensive anchors and rim protectors; both anchor their respective team's defensive schemes (the same funneling defensive schemes, mind you); and both are (were in Gobert's case I guess, though I still don't trust him at all) offensive liabilities as compared to other centers in the league like Embiid, Jokic, etc. Both lack playmaking skills, dribbling skills. The stark difference right now is, glaringly, that Gobert can hit enough FTs (in the RS at least...) to stay on the court to close every game, while Poeltl can't. And of course, "minor" differences in that Gobert is the superior player due to being a better finisher, slightly better defender, and such.

I don't think I've seen a single person equating Poeltl to Gobert, which I guess is what you have in mind when you say it's "terrible" - more like people saying Poeltl is like, 80% of Gobert at 20% of the price tag, which is a pretty solid idea IMO. But why can't both players be compared, when they play literally almost the same games? If you can't compare these two, you can't compare any player whatsoever, because no two players are 100% the same. Yet you see all the time, for examples, rookies being called "the next KD", the "next Giannis project", etc. So yeah, I don't understand your point, or rather, disagree completely.

[Dejounte]

Take my out your mouth, got.

Seek mental help if you think there’s people with alts on this forum. A ton of people on you because your takes are vanilla and you’ve yet to had a good take. Take that pom pom to Reddit, you’ll fit in with the soy boys perfectly

Quit playing footsie with me, goober. turn you on, boy? Convenient you come on here the instant you're being talked about. Stop being a pussy and stay on your main username and address me.

[TheGreatYacht]

“Poeltl is 80% of Gobert”

Holy . Thank god this failed abortion will never reproduce.

[Sugus]

“Poeltl is 80% of Gobert”

Holy . Thank god this failed abortion will never reproduce.

At least quote me next time, boy, and unluckily for you, Poeltl will stay a very similar player to Gobert, playing on the Spurs, for many years to come... Hopefully you'll keep on not watching the games, so you can drop by here as little as possible like you've been doing

[TheGreatYacht]

Quit playing footsie with me, goober. turn you on, boy? Convenient you come on here the instant you're being talked about. Stop being a pussy and stay on your main username and address me.

No one uses alts on ST, re

Sorry there’s more realists on this site than you’re accustomed to on sjw reddit.

Pop is the greatest! Upvote pls

[TheGreatYacht]

Quit playing footsie with me, goober. turn you on, boy? Convenient you come on here the instant you're being talked about. Stop being a pussy and stay on your main username and address me.

At least quote me next time, boy, and unluckily for you, Poeltl will stay a very similar player to Gobert, playing on the Spurs, for many years to come... Hopefully you'll keep on not watching the games, so you can drop by here as little as possible like you've been doing

At least use different insults next time, you ing loser

[Dejounte]

No one uses alts on ST, re

Sorry there’s more realists on this site than you’re accustomed to on sjw reddit.

Pop is the greatest! Upvote pls

You're late for your shift bruh might fall asleep on the road

in hilarious xxxtentacion is your avatar. Why the are you such a poser when you're in 50 years old?