What Gorgui Dieng Brings to the Spurs

[duncan2150]

IMO, the Spurs have better trade assets this year than last if they want to move up the draft. However, since the draft is "stronger" this year, teams may be reluctant to trade their lottery pick this year. Then again, teams already with a ton of young talent may not want to add more to their group and instead wants to make win now moves. I see the Pelicans, Warriors, and maybe Pacers being under that category.

I'm ok with this, they can do a lot of things with this cap space during the draft. Signing fa could be difficult but taking back some contracts in order to move up in the draft or adding some other picks or taking a good player from a team who wants to clear the books a little bit... there are a lot of options on the table.

And with only two teams having nearly the same cap space, the spurs are in a perfect position next summer, we'll see what they will do.

[KingKev]

We have the potential for a franchise changing offseason but, and you will learn this, cap space and assets don’t mean there are the available pieces necessary to land anything with that space. Look at the landscape of the 2021 free agency and we can revisit this in more detail.

Who is this magic sign and trade destination for derozan and what is the return? Think carefully, because the only sign and trade destination in the offseason in Boston with the right combination of TPE and young players to deal with is now off the market with Fournier’s acquisition.

So- let’s hear the plan. What is your blueprint with the cap space and sign and trade potential the spurs have to get on your preferred path. What team with lottery picks is Demar derozan agreeing to sign with so the spurs can land the prospect of your dreams.

also- remind me what slot Kawhi was picked at?

google the term optionality clown. There are multiple teams who may be interested in DDR but can not pay him outright. He has a 38mm cap hold to begin with which already, potentially limits our ability to make moves when the clock strikes midnight if we want to work a sign and trade. I’m not mapping out 50 different scenarios as that is a waste of time but there probably are multiple scenarios that will be on the table. I am only hi-lighting the fact we are far from contention so we should value flexibility versus commitments that get us nowhere. Making long term commitments to backup players when your bench is flooded with backup talent is silly. Those are deals you make after you have your strategy in place. Fill out the front office before you hire back office folks to administrate. That is how my industry works. My opinion is we do not have a long term strategy in place.

Telling me to think carefully because there are no sign and trade options for DDR in the absence of Boston? What careful thought process lead you to that conclusion? I’ll think carefully. Do me a favour and just don’t think at all.

[PrimeMinister]

google the term optionality clown. There are multiple teams who may be interested in DDR but can not pay him outright. He has a 38mm cap hold to begin with which already, potentially limits our ability to make moves when the clock strikes midnight if we want to work a sign and trade. I’m not mapping out 50 different scenarios as that is a waste of time but there probably are multiple scenarios that will be on the table. I am only hi-lighting the fact we are far from contention so we should value flexibility versus commitments that get us nowhere. Making long term commitments to backup players when your bench is flooded with backup talent is silly. Those are deals you make after you have your strategy in place. Fill out the front office before you hire back office folks to administrate. That is how my industry works. My opinion is we do not have a long term strategy in place.

Telling me to think carefully because there are no sign and trade options for DDR in the absence of Boston? What careful thought process lead you to that conclusion? I’ll think carefully. Do me a favour and just don’t think at all.

a little big in the britches for having literally nothing of substance to add or response to anything I ask you

[Chinook]

Great find, thanks.

So it's possible that Shams' original $7.25 million is right. Woj's number was different because he gave the post-escrow number. Bobby Marks' conclusion could have been wrong because he misinterpreted Woj's wording. This is like a bad game of telephone

Personally, no one I know has a firm number but now I'm starting to think that Aldridge did give up a substantial amount. Hopefully we get real, confirmed numbers soon so we don't have to keep guessing based off of tweets.

But, yeah, now the question is whether Dieng got some sort of multi-year deal. If he got a three-year, $12-15 million contract that is essentially a two-year $8-10 million contract after this season, that would explain a lot.

Yes, this is definitely the kind of sideways move I'd hoped the Spurs would look to make at the start of this thread. I will resist rabbit-holing in this thread, but hopefully if the Spurs have space to keep looking at other opportunities for that 15th spot. If they have a decent amount of salary space left over, they might be able to offer a large enough contract to not only take advantage of a surprise buyout but to induce one. It could be the case that Dieng agreed to a buyout solely because he already had a multi-year deal waiting for him. He's not the only fringe guy for whom a $10M/3 deals that's really just a $9M/2 would be enticing.

The MLE typically starts to pro rate on 01/10, I believe. No idea if it's pro-rating this year or how far long it is. Jones already took part of it, so there may not be that much left if Dieng took some himself.

[PrimeMinister]

IMO, the Spurs have better trade assets this year than last if they want to move up the draft. However, since the draft is "stronger" this year, teams may be reluctant to trade their lottery pick this year. Then again, teams already with a ton of young talent may not want to add more to their group and instead wants to make win now moves. I see the Pelicans, Warriors, and maybe Pacers being under that category.

See, Kev, this is what an informed response from a good poster looks like. Thank you, DJ.

I've said before if the spurs identify a prospect in the top of the draft that has 1A talent, everyone should be on the table. I can envision, however remote the possibility, that one of those teams would think about a package to trade down giving the spurs a higher pick. If one was to argue that is the spurs best course of action, I wouldn't really counter.

[KingKev]

See, Kev, this is what an informed response from a good poster looks like. Thank you, DJ.

I've said before if the spurs identify a prospect in the top of the draft that has 1A talent, everyone should be on the table. I can envision, however remote the possibility, that one of those teams would think about a package to trade down giving the spurs a higher pick. If one was to argue that is the spurs best course of action, I wouldn't really counter.

DJ is a smart fella. You are talking a pretty high level strategy in the above yourself; 0 specifics. My goal was never to talk specific trades as the trade deadline has already passed. I’m talking macro not micro. I’d like to go into the offseason full of dry powder. You should absolutely consider all draft day moves but also be positioned to resign or sign and trade DDR while signing or taking on another near max contract whether its free agency or via trade. Everything DJ suggested in the draft I agree with and we should be well positioned to execute.

[mo7888]

Just to add to the DDR S&T part of the discussion- I've seen reports today that the Knocks will make a run at him. That's a worst case scenario for us in regards to S&T I believe. They have the room to absorb him outright. If he prefers another destination then our opportunity to get an asset for him goes up.

[duncan2150]

But if we want a sign and trade for derozan we need to have his rights ? maybe more than 30 millions against our cap ?

[mo7888]

But if we want a sign and trade for derozan we need to have his rights ? maybe more than 30 millions against our cap ?

I wouldn't worry about his cap hold...if we decided we wanted to max out a RFA (Collins maybe) we could renounce the cap hold and move on.

[RC_Drunkford]

Just to add to the DDR S&T part of the discussion- I've seen reports today that the Knocks will make a run at him. That's a worst case scenario for us in regards to S&T I believe. They have the room to absorb him outright. If he prefers another destination then our opportunity to get an asset for him goes up.

I been saying that that would happen since last year tbh. As expected cause the Knicks are hot garbage and somehow like to us over

[Truckules]

Just to add to the DDR S&T part of the discussion- I've seen reports today that the Knocks will make a run at him. That's a worst case scenario for us in regards to S&T I believe. They have the room to absorb him outright. If he prefers another destination then our opportunity to get an asset for him goes up.

The Knicks and Hornets are the two teams I worry about. The Knicks have lots of space but also lots of positions to fill, and I don't know if Demar would want to take a chance on the Knicks filling the rest of the roster with good players. I also don't know how much he would like playing for Thibs. The Hornets have ~$38 million and will need to sign a starting C but other than that they are pretty much set. Borrego's not been a coach for long, but he seems like someone that players like.

[mo7888]

I been saying that that would happen since last year tbh. As expected cause the Knicks are hot garbage and somehow like to us over

I've thought it was likely as well...it's the one place outside of Toronto that he can join up with Lowry as well...I'd prefer to get an asset for him but I'm not to torn up if he ends up in NY either just because it is time to turn that page.

[KingKev]

I wouldn't worry about his cap hold...if we decided we wanted to max out a RFA (Collins maybe) we could renounce the cap hold and move on.

38mm cap hold. It’s a dilemma for sure. The goal for this summer should be maximizing all cap space before the rest of our youth requires an extension. We are in a sweet spot this off season and next to potentially
maximize cap space which means ideally you work a sign and trade for DDR or bring him back at a reasonable cost and pay a top tier RFA like Collins.

[mo7888]

38mm cap hold. It’s a dilemma for sure. The goal for this summer should be maximizing all cap space before the rest of our youth requires an extension. We are in a sweet spot this off season and next to potentially
maximize cap space which means ideally you work a sign and trade for DDR or bring him back at a reasonable cost and pay a top tier RFA like Collins.

I really don't think he's coming back for a reasonable contract. There will be teams that will start him over $30/yr... hopefully he chooses one without enough cap space so we can S&T but, if not we can use our cap space in other deals.

[exstatic]

I Really have a hard time seeing any palatable S&T for DD. After watching the trade deadline,no one is going to give us anything but scraps. I think we’ll either sign him, or wish him well.

[exstatic]

I really don't think he's coming back for a reasonable contract. There will be teams that will start him over $30/yr... hopefully he chooses one without enough cap space so we can S&T but, if not we can use our cap space in other deals.

The scuttlbutt is that it’s not the $$, it’s the length. He’ll be 31, and looking for his last pay day. Spurs probably only want him for two years.

[mo7888]

The scuttlbutt is that it’s not the $$, it’s the length. He’ll be 31, and looking for his last pay day. Spurs probably only want him for two years.

Agreed...

[duncan2150]

I wouldn't worry about his cap hold...if we decided we wanted to max out a RFA (Collins maybe) we could renounce the cap hold and move on.

But you can sign someone with the capspace and then resign him without his cap hold ? it's just that without his rights you can't do a sign and trade.

[mo7888]

But you can sign someone with the capspace and then resign him without his cap hold ? it's just that without his rights you can't do a sign and trade.

Yes, if we renounce we can't S&T...and if he picks one of the other 5 teams with enough cap space there wouldn't be a S&T either... most likely he walks and we use that money elsewhere.

[Prime BEEF]

I Really have a hard time seeing any palatable S&T for DD. After watching the trade deadline,no one is going to give us anything but scraps. I think we’ll either sign him, or wish him well.

Agreed

[cd021]

The scuttlbutt is that it’s not the $$, it’s the length. He’ll be 31, and looking for his last pay day. Spurs probably only want him for two years.

I could see the Spurs offering something in the neighborhood of 2 years, $60 million but he'd probably want 4 but willing to negotiate down to 3 but that could mean that the Spurs could be deep in the tax down the road if Walker has a big year 4, Keldon continues his upward trajectory and Luka turns out to be a good rotation player.

[cjw]

People need to stop worrying about the cap hold. They can and will carry it into the moratorium, and have a few days to get everything in order. Most likely they’ll have resigned him, he’ll want to go elsewhere and needs a S&T, or can sign elsewhere outright by the time the moratorium ends.

Demar’s cap hold also makes it unlikely they’ll chase a big RFA initially that’s likely to get matched. Having Demar’s cap hold is an asset.

I could see the Spurs offering something in the neighborhood of 2 years, $60 million but he'd probably want 4 but willing to negotiate down to 3 but that could mean that the Spurs could be deep in the tax down the road if Walker has a big year 4, Keldon continues his upward trajectory and Luka turns out to be a good rotation player.

If Walker has a big year 4 and you have to pay him, KJ and eventually Luka, you can always deal Demar at that point in time assuming he doesn’t fall off a cliff. Lack of three point shooting aside, his game should age decently.

[KingKev]

OP forgot to mention we already have a legit backup 5; an Austrian 7footer who can’t slam dunk. Next goal is acquiring a starting caliber 5.

[cd021]

People need to stop worrying about the cap hold. They can and will carry it into the moratorium, and have a few days to get everything in order. Most likely they’ll have resigned him, he’ll want to go elsewhere and needs a S&T, or can sign elsewhere outright by the time the moratorium ends.

Demar’s cap hold also makes it unlikely they’ll chase a big RFA initially that’s likely to get matched. Having Demar’s cap hold is an asset.



If Walker has a big year 4 and you have to pay him, KJ and eventually Luka, you can always deal Demar at that point in time assuming he doesn’t fall off a cliff. Lack of three point shooting aside, his game should age decently.

I don't have faith in the Spurs trading a player, especially if they've been on the team more than a few seasons, so I'm not in favor of that. They blundered the Aldridge situation but not moving him last deadline or in the off-season.

DeMar should age well but if Walker has a breakout year, Keldon takes a big leap in year three or four, and same for Luka then that 23-24 team could be super-expensive. I think they'll hold firm on two years but offer his the salary that he wants.

Otherwise they could do an S&T though I only see a few teams that would be options (i.e the L.A. teams, and the Bulls) though I think that's relatively unlikely.

[CGD]

Meh, I’m not holding my breath for a S&T. Plus the Spurs will already have a ton of capspace, so not sure how valuable a massive TE would be.

It’s time for that process to come to an end.