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    My position on this is the same as my position on federal minimum wage of $15.

    But in cities like Seattle, paying servers $15 is working just fine
    yeah this is a fair point. i generally meant that waiters should be be allowed to be paid under min wage with the understanding that they'll make up for it in tips. like the min wage, i do think it should be determined at a more local level (whether its by county or city) by some cost of living index

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    No, it doesn't. It's meant to be extra income, for buying wants like new shoes, clothes, perfumes, cosmetics, jewelry, other wants like that. It an early-career job intended for youth to supplement what their parents are doing for them, and/or the universities and governments in the case of college.

    It's not meant to cover tuition, rent, a new car, or medical bills. Those are going to be your jobs with "bachelor's degree" as a general requirement.
    No it isn't anymore. Maybe at some point in time it made sense to be that when we still had manufacturing, benefits, etc. Not in this society though.

    Plenty of older people do this job and the like. Not everyone can be a manager or executive.
    Exactly. Not everybody can afford a college career either. And there's plenty of folks with a shaky job situations, working part-time which basically means they can get fired anytime.

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    I know a donut business that when they got a 2 hour raise with min wage
    It worked ok for 2 weeks
    Then their employees figured out if they called in sick once a week they get the same money
    Lol no

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    Well then hope their husband has a real career, and/or hope they don't have kids.
    You been listening to too many conservative talk show shills who are getting paid way more to flap their gums than waitresses who are at least doing real work.
    I throw caution to the wind on these blue anons' support for artificial measures. Frankly, they don't give a sh** if stuff hurts the people it purports to help.
    But if you can't pay for life's basics on a full-time job, then that is indicative of a problem.

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    I just bet this happened.
    Fixed their computers for 12 years
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    I know a donut business that when they got a 2 hour raise with min wage
    It worked ok for 2 weeks
    Then their employees figured out if they called in sick once a week they get the same money
    Who gets 52 days of sick leave every year as a waiter (52 weeks in a year)?

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    You been listening to too many conservative talk show shills who are getting paid way more to flap their gums than waitresses who are at least doing real work.
    I throw caution to the wind on these blue anons' support for artificial measures. Frankly, they don't give a sh** if stuff hurts the people it purports to help.
    But if you can't pay for life's basics on a full-time job, then that is indicative of a problem.
    Full time job implies 40 hours per week and at least some vocational trade schooling, if not an actual college degree. Being a server at a restaurant requires no schooling nor experience. Now being a head chef, sous chef or a manager, that's different, you actually work your way up or get a culinary arts trade school diploma for it, and they get paid living (not great, but living) salaries.

    Yes, I listen to Joe Pags.

    No it isn't anymore. Maybe at some point in time it made sense to be that when we still had manufacturing, benefits, etc. Not in this society though.

    Exactly. Not everybody can afford a college career either. And there's plenty of folks with a shaky job situations, working part-time which basically means they can get fired anytime.
    It's a non-skilled, ordinary job in the McJob category. You don't even need a trade school diploma. Are you implying that restaurants (already an unprofitable business) should be forced to provide good health insurance and full time benefits like PTO and 401k's for their menial workers as well?

    Not everybody can "afford" a college career, but the truth is anyone with any career, even mine, can and do get fired/laid off anytime. The USA is an at-will work country. Which is something I'm against. I think at-will should be federally banned and severance should be required. Especially for the full time jobs with people making salaries of 50K+ or hourly of $25/hour W2 +.
    Last edited by Millennial_Messiah; 04-01-2021 at 03:24 PM.

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    It's funny how people care about others money so much

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    You also believe Trump

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    Right again, Sadbert.

    lol citing a fox news video about 1 study that was done 4 years ago. this is why you're forever & always Derp

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    You been listening to too many conservative talk show shills who are getting paid way more to flap their gums than waitresses who are at least doing real work.
    I throw caution to the wind on these blue anons' support for artificial measures. Frankly, they don't give a sh** if stuff hurts the people it purports to help.
    But if you can't pay for life's basics on a full-time job, then that is indicative of a problem.
    this the first thing you've ever said that wasnt completely ing re ed. good job Derp

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    It's a non-skilled, ordinary job in the McJob category. You don't even need a trade school diploma. Are you implying that restaurants (already an unprofitable business) should be forced to provide good health insurance and full time benefits like PTO and 401k's for their menial workers as well?

    Not everybody can "afford" a college career, but the truth is anyone with any career, even mine, can and do get fired/laid off anytime. The USA is an at-will work country. Which is something I'm against. I think at-will should be federally banned and severance should be required. Especially for the full time jobs with people making salaries of 50K+ or hourly of $25/hour W2 +.
    What? The restaurant business has been growing in the past few decades at a pretty steady rate, not just in the US but worldwide. Clearly the pandemic has hurt them dearly, but there's no reason to believe they won't be back on a healthy state once this is more or less over.

    If you have a full-time job, you can at least file for unemployment, no questions asked. You have that to fall back to until you can find another job. If you're part-time, you have to jump through a lot of hoops to only get a smaller amount, and might still not get it.

    That's where unskilled jobs like these have extra value. Like I said, maybe it made sense when you could have a lifetime career at the local mine, benefits, etc, but it doesn't in modern economies.

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    this the first thing you've ever said that wasnt completely ing re ed. good job Derp
    Probably because he's unable to move out of mom's basement on his salary

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    Full time job implies 40 hours per week and at least some vocational trade schooling, if not an actual college degree. Being a server at a restaurant requires no schooling nor experience.
    Why? You need a special skill just to make ends meet? Seems to me that such advancement is for the cause of not merely making income for basic life expenses but for advancement into a more comfortable lifestyle.

    But here's the problem. All the taxation is what's doing this. These Chumpettes won't admit that their precious Democrats f'ing up of health care makes it so part-time workers can't even work 40-60 hours a week to try and save and get ahead.

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    Why? You need a special skill just to make ends meet? Seems to me that such advancement is for the cause of not merely making income for basic life expenses but for advancement into a more comfortable lifestyle.

    But here's the problem. All the taxation is what's doing this. These Chumpettes won't admit that their precious Democrats f'ing up of health care makes it so part-time workers can't even work 40-60 hours a week to try and save and get ahead.
    Dog eat dog world. Don't you believe in capitalism? Life isn't free. To make ends meet, you either have someone else who has a skilled career (i.e. parents, husband etc) or have one yourself, or start a business and be successful in that. But, one of the main problems is that paying these dead-end job girls has caused is a destruction of the nuclear family, i.e. women are less incentivized to seek men for marriage, and are more likely to go their own way and be single, which is bad bad bad. Women relying on men for security is biology but the left is against it for political reasons, one of the problems being that women's suffrage made a female vote equal to a male vote, when the truth is it should be more like .6 or .7 of a male vote. Also puts the GOP at a voting disadvantage.

    Yes, Obamacare is stupid, but healthcare was bad before Obamacare. The taxation itself isn't terrible (corporate tax remains low for now), but the way Obamacare pandered to the insurance companies making super profits is the problem. Either socialize medicine or go back to the old way. Even the Trump GOP won't admit that the biggest factor of why health insurance costs ed up tremendously after 2012 was due to the pre-existing conditions law in the ACA / Obamacare.

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    Bernie should stfu already and get himself a 9-5 out of government like the rest of us have done. He should work at least one day out of his life instead of leeching off all of us and trying to play savior for the loons of his ideology and party.

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    That would be awesome, tipping is ing re ed.

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    I have sometimes tipped while dining in Europe (just out of habit) and the waitress/waiter literally don't understand why I gave them extra money. They think it's a mistake or something. That's how it should be.

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    lol citing a fox news video about 1 study that was done 4 years ago. this is why you're forever & always Derp
    Some people visit Seattle, some people learn about it from conservative news programs aimed at retired people who are afraid of airplanes.

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    You also believe Trump
    He kepted more promises then since Reagan

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    He kepted more promises then since Reagan
    Would you trust someone who constructs sentences like this?

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    Would you trust someone who constructs sentences like this?
    Come on man you know the thing... Bet you voted for that dip and his incomplete thoughts/sentences though. Lmao

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    Come on man you know the thing... Bet you voted for that dip and his incomplete thoughts/sentences though. Lmao
    Why would he vote for ducks?

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    Choke on a Blake... IDC what you have to say bro but continue on if it makes you feel better because we all know you're always in your feelings you little girl.

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    " IDC WHAT YOU SAY BUT I STILL ALWAYS RESPOND TO YOU "

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