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    What's the difference between 25%-28% that couldn't be fluffed out on the back end?

    Biden blinking on this one would seem to be cost-free.
    If he voted against it on a floor vote with that being his sticking point, i can’t imagine he’d be winning the optics

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    I hate it when the stock market goes up because i know some people in government also own stocks
    I hate when the stock market goes up because it's fluffed up by a make believe economy and also because of ghastly low interest rates. They need to raise interest rates badly and crack down hard against borrowing. Stock market needs to go down to curb inflation and give buyers a chance in the housing market.

    Manchin is playing for style points, but it's a dangerous game, tbh...
    How so? He isn't up again until 2024. He may or may not win another term, but as a centrist Democrat in a red state it's better to be more centrist than Democrat.

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    If he voted against it on a floor vote with that being his sticking point, i can’t imagine he’d be winning the optics
    raises the question of what the "real stakes" are. ElNoNo said "style points", that's in the same neighborhood.

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    What's the difference between 25%-28% that couldn't be fluffed out on the back end?

    Biden blinking on this one would seem to be cost-free.
    Because it's not just this specific item, it's a power issue. He already ed on the previous bill, and the more rope you give him, the more he's going to take.

    Biden is riding winning an election (the whole mandate theory) which gives him probably the strongest point he's going to have on his presidency and a relatively great early pandemic response.

    It's a dangerous game for Manchin because Dems are going to be talking about "that bag Manchin" if they can't pass key points of their agenda before the midterms, whereas if he moves out of the way, it's all on Biden/Schumer/Pelosi.

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    Manchin only cares about $Ms from BigDonor class, doesn't GAF about Biden winning

    https://www.opensecrets.org/members-...?cid=N00032838

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    How so? He isn't up again until 2024. He may or may not win another term, but as a centrist Democrat in a red state it's better to be more centrist than Democrat.
    See my previous post. He's taking ownership and playing a national game now with this ing and decisions. These laws and what he's asking for goes well beyond the impact on his cons uency.

    I'm not saying he shouldn't do it, I'm merely pointing out it's a dangerous game.

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    Cons ution has ed America with the Electoral College and 2 Senators per state

    Joe Manchin representing 1.8M people is the most powerful man in a country of 330M+, sitting in a Senate where 50 Dem Senators represent 40M more people than 50 Repug Senators.

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    Corporate tax 35%
    Obama proposes cutting to 28%
    Manchin says yes that's perfect!
    Ryan says still too high must be 24%
    Stalemate ensues
    Trump cuts corporate tax to 21%
    Manchin says too low!
    Biden proposes 28%
    Manchin says too high!
    Mancin bad now

    Mancin good now

    Mancin bad now

    Mancin good now

    Mancin bad now


    This will go on for at least 18 more months

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    Cons ution has ed America with the Electoral College and 2 Senators per state

    Joe Manchin representing 1.8M people is the most powerful man in a country of 330M+, sitting in a Senate where 50 Dem Senators represent 40M more people than 50 Repug Senators.
    Eh, it's really 46/2/2, with Murkowski and Collins in a group of two and Manchin and Sinema the other group of two. So 52-48 either side is realistic imo, not a true gridlock.

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    I hate when the stock market goes up because it's fluffed up by a make believe economy and also because of ghastly low interest rates. They need to raise interest rates badly and crack down hard against borrowing. Stock market needs to go down to curb inflation and give buyers a chance in the housing market.



    How so? He isn't up again until 2024. He may or may not win another term, but as a centrist Democrat in a red state it's better to be more centrist than Democrat.
    I just watched this clip this morning. It seems like these hedgefund investors are buying up all the real estate and jacking up the pricing in housing. Do you believe that if the stock market goes down that these hedgefund guys will have less money to prop up the housing market and thus causing housing prices to stabilize or go down?


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    Eh, it's really 46/2/2, with Murkowski and Collins in a group of two and Manchin and Sinema the other group of two. So 52-48 either side is realistic imo, not a true gridlock.
    Yup. I think those 4 Senators are most powerful people in America.

    I don't get Manchin tripping over 3 whole percentage points. Seems like he just likes to grandstand. The 28% rate is reasonable and probably not high enough considering the endless spending OBiden is doing.

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    Cons ution has ed America with the Electoral College and 2 Senators per state

    Joe Manchin representing 1.8M people is the most powerful man in a country of 330M+, sitting in a Senate where 50 Dem Senators represent 40M more people than 50 Repug Senators.
    Find a better one then move to that country

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    Yup. I think those 4 Senators are most powerful people in America.

    I don't get Manchin tripping over 3 whole percentage points. Seems like he just likes to grandstand. The 28% rate is reasonable and probably not high enough considering the endless spending OBiden is doing.
    28% is reasonable, maybe as high as 40% for fortune-500 companies... I just wish there were salary limits for executives, like maybe $750K/year, to promote more income equality and higher salaries for regular workers as opposed to having people on the floor work for peanuts while the execs make $20M/year.

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    great evidence that the democrat party is not far left

    its amazing for the ruling class that their worst case scenario is lukewarm liberalism bringing the corporate tax rate to something below what it was just a few years ago

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    There are so many $Ts, have been for years, in the hands of the Capitalists that they will buy up everything, esp if there is a cash flow like health care, nursing homes. They'll make homes so expensive people will be forced to rent, another source of cash flow.

    Another source of cash flow is "asset stripping", buying company, then killing it while selling off any assets.

    Capitalism is ing the non-Capitalists very hard, and very deep, and it will get much worse.

    the anti-democratic, fascist Capitalists are financing, corrupting, bribing politicians and judges, with Capitalist pocket change, to deliver laws and decisions favoring the Capitalists.

    America is ed and un able

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    The guy who doesn't support unions is Democrats bestie? Shocking.

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    The guy who doesn't support unions is Democrats bestie? Shocking.
    Are you going to pretend you like unions too now?

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    Are you going to pretend you like unions too now?
    derp hates unions so much that he supports the confederacy

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    derp hates unions so much that he supports the confederacy

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    derp hates unions so much that he supports the confederacy
    people forget the other side of the Citizens United bargain: unions got the same free speech rights as business.

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    Mancin bad now

    Mancin good now

    Mancin bad now

    Mancin good now

    Mancin bad now


    This will go on for at least 18 more months
    *manchin

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