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    It's not great, but the sky isn't falling either.

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    It's not great, but the sky isn't falling either.
    Not for us. We are past the point of having the sky fall.

    J&J is the vaccine the rest of the world needs though.

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    mRNA appears to be the superior alternative when it comes to risks... comes with a better bluetooth chip as well, tbh

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    Some more education.

    The J&J blood clots come apparently with low platelet count ones. Most of the regular blood clots are high platelet count. Also the incidence is 3 to 4 cases per million, ANNUALLY.




    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cere...nus_thrombosis


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    When we have 7 cases in a matter of weeks is a big deal.

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    btw, are blood clotting and DVTs correlated with COVID-19 infection?

    what's the incidence of that in the US right now?

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    mRNA appears to be the superior alternative when it comes to risks... comes with a better bluetooth chip as well, tbh
    If read at the fine print, aluminum foil hat's (like Hater wears) will void the TOS.

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    @CheerVid

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    Not for us. We are past the point of having the sky fall.

    J&J is the vaccine the rest of the world needs though.
    And they'll get it.

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    Some more education.

    The J&J blood clots come apparently with low platelet count ones. Most of the regular blood clots are high platelet count. Also the incidence is 3 to 4 cases per million, ANNUALLY.




    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cere...nus_thrombosis


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    When we have 7 cases in a matter of weeks is a big deal.
    In women 19-50 who have a history of platelet problems.

    You would not actually want to pare it down would you hater?
    This kind of thing will happen when more vaccines come out and more drugs, because, people are indeed different, what a surprise.
    In the vast majority of all people the vaccines are working quite well.
    If the vaccines symptoms somehow "spread" like the virus, then we would have a huge problem.

    There is no number sense or sense of probability in these occurrences for some people.
    I guess something else that needs to be taught in school for hater type phenomena.

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    Some more education.

    The J&J blood clots come apparently with low platelet count ones. Most of the regular blood clots are high platelet count. Also the incidence is 3 to 4 cases per million, ANNUALLY.




    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cere...nus_thrombosis


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    When we have 7 cases in a matter of weeks is a big deal.
    And the biggest deal in this case is the panic it causes.
    You could say the same thing about the virus except it was and is INCREDIBLY TRANSMISSIBLE and there was a time when we could not handle patients adequately, so it threatened the treatment system for about everyone. Why is this all so difficult...

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    FUUUUUCK. People were already hesitant about J&J because of the lower efficacy rate despite its trials being done when we were at a much worse point of the pandemic than either the Pfizer or Moderna trials and despite the fact J&J was actively tested on a large scale against the South African variant. This is going to make it ten times worse, what the are the CDC and FDA thinking here? Stopping distribution for 6 cases out of 7 million is nuts. Jesus ing Christ, this vaccine is a lifeline out of the pandemic and the CDC and FDA are ing it up.

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    FUUUUUCK. People were already hesitant about J&J because of the lower efficacy rate despite its trials being done when we were at a much worse point of the pandemic than either the Pfizer or Moderna trials and despite the fact J&J was actively tested on a large scale against the South African variant. This is going to make it ten times worse, what the are the CDC and FDA thinking here? Stopping distribution for 6 cases out of 7 million is nuts. Jesus ing Christ, this vaccine is a lifeline out of the pandemic and the CDC and FDA are ing it up.
    This is indeed perplexing.

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    FUUUUUCK. People were already hesitant about J&J because of the lower efficacy rate despite its trials being done when we were at a much worse point of the pandemic than either the Pfizer or Moderna trials and despite the fact J&J was actively tested on a large scale against the South African variant. This is going to make it ten times worse, what the are the CDC and FDA thinking here? Stopping distribution for 6 cases out of 7 million is nuts. Jesus ing Christ, this vaccine is a lifeline out of the pandemic and the CDC and FDA are ing it up.
    It's the right thing to do. Identify the cases so people with such conditions are moved to the other vaccines and then you can resume. If it saves a few lives, all worth it.

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    It's the right thing to do. Identify the cases so people with such conditions are moved to the other vaccines and then you can resume. If it saves a few lives, all worth it.
    MRNA or Sputnik for me thank you very much.

    Wont touchbanything else tbqh. the chinese ones. And J&J and Astrasuckneca.

    Apparently we have enough MRna vaccines to inject ourselves in the testicles. So I will be waiting for appointments for Moderna or Pfizer.

    And if thats bull Im.going to South America for the Sputnik 5er

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    MRNA or Sputnik for me thank you very much.

    Wont touchbanything else tbqh. the chinese ones. And J&J and Astrasuckneca.

    Apparently we have enough MRna vaccines to inject ourselves in the testicles. So I will be waiting for appointments for Moderna or Pfizer.

    And if thats bull Im.going to South America for the Sputnik 5er
    Just booked my appt for Moderna, tbh...

    South America is out of vaccines at the moment. And they're also administering Astrazeneca made in India there.

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    Trump good now



    Having a hard time ginning up controversy that sticks to this admin, huh?

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    As Helen Branswell writes at STAT News, every single clotting event involved a woman aged between 18 and 48 with a condition called thrombocytopenia (or low blood platelets). It isn't even clear yet that the vaccine actually caused the clots — the background rate of this particular kind of clotting is about five per million people, per year.
    https://theweek.com/speedreads/97705...-irresponsible

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    "It just doesn't happen in healthy people out of the blue and that's what's happening," said Dr. Hanny Al-Samkari, a hematologist and clinical investigator at the Massachusetts General Hospital.

    But the risks are unexpected, unusual and might be reduced with the proper response or by limiting who gets the vaccine, Marks said.

    "Our ultimate goal here is to get as many people vaccinated with a safe and effective vaccine as we can," he said, "but we feel like we have to take action."

    The condition is believed to be the same one seen in Europe with a similar vaccine made by AstraZeneca and Oxford University. That vaccine, which is not available in the United States, has been linked to more than 220 unusual clotting cases as of April 4, out of 34 million doses delivered.

    Most of the time, it's difficult to directly connect a serious health problem with a vaccine, but with the J&J and AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccines, "there is a smoking gun," said Dr. Theodore Warkentin, who co-authored an April 9 paper describing unusual blood clotting conditions in 11 patients who received the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine.

    Warkentin and his colleagues named the condition vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia or VITT. It is believed to be similar to a rare problem seen either in patients recovering from surgery or from those on heparin, said Warkentin, a hematologist at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada..

    In all cases, the immune system creates antibodies that activate platelets in the bloodstream, he said. The platelets, which normally promote wound healing, end up clumping and causing blood clots, often in the brain.

    The diagnosis of VITT may be challenging, because typical tests for blood clots can come back negative and doctors will have to look specifically for toxic antibodies, said Anand Padmanabhan, an expert in a similar condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopenia at the Mayo Clinic.

    People with suspected VITT should not be given the blood thinner heparin, because it could exacerbate the problem, Padmanabhan said.

    All six of the people diagnosed with rare clots after receiving the J&J vaccine were relatively young women – but that doesn't mean that men and people who are older can't develop the condition, Marks warned.

    "It's a question of whether this is the tip of the iceberg," she said. "Are we just seeing the start of case reports in the U.S. and are we going to see more?"

    "If you mistreat it, people die," she said, "and if you don't treat it, there's still a high mortality associated with it."

    But it can be successfully treated if doctors are looking for it.

    "If you're not aware it can happen or you're not looking for it, it may go undiagnosed," she said.

    Blood thinning drugs other than heparin can be useful for VITT patients, Warkentin said.

    "Whenever there is a concern about the vaccine, they put a hold on it," Al-Samkari said. "That's appropriate and we want that to happen.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/7212193002/

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    Dems did something, did anything, so the Repugs and right hate media automatically must inflame their ignorant, stupid, paranoid, delusional cult mob

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    Just booked my appt for Moderna, tbh...

    South America is out of vaccines at the moment. And they're also administering Astrazeneca made in India there.
    You can buy what you want in colombia tbqh

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    It's the right thing to do. Identify the cases so people with such conditions are moved to the other vaccines and then you can resume. If it saves a few lives, all worth it.
    it’s a trade off.

    J & J not being used will mean people will not be vaccinated. if you are not vaccinated and around the no mask anti-Vaccers... Unfortunately there are a lot of people that still need to be vaccinated. This is a very tough decision. People will die either way.

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    This is indeed perplexing.
    stop the flu vaccine? It should be noted that not all these people die, but it’s not going to be pleasant.

    CDC reports 1.31 cases of anaphylaxis per million flu shots given, so that would be about 183 cases per year in the US (on average, around 140 million Americans a year receive a flu shot).

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    Public health doc who has given hundreds of Moderna and got myself / lot of good points in thread. Was supposed to give J and J next week but that put off so back to Moderna which I have seen no major side effects personally.
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