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    FUUUUUCK. People were already hesitant about J&J because of the lower efficacy rate despite its trials being done when we were at a much worse point of the pandemic than either the Pfizer or Moderna trials and despite the fact J&J was actively tested on a large scale against the South African variant. This is going to make it ten times worse, what the are the CDC and FDA thinking here? Stopping distribution for 6 cases out of 7 million is nuts. Jesus ing Christ, this vaccine is a lifeline out of the pandemic and the CDC and FDA are ing it up.
    Yeah. There's gotta be under the hood political BS at work here. Corporate dems in Pfizer/Moderna payroll, miscommunication, etc gotta be something up. Numbers wise makes zero sense.

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    "It just doesn't happen in healthy people out of the blue and that's what's happening," said Dr. Hanny Al-Samkari, a hematologist and clinical investigator at the Massachusetts General Hospital.

    But the risks are unexpected, unusual and might be reduced with the proper response or by limiting who gets the vaccine, Marks said.

    "Our ultimate goal here is to get as many people vaccinated with a safe and effective vaccine as we can," he said, "but we feel like we have to take action."

    The condition is believed to be the same one seen in Europe with a similar vaccine made by AstraZeneca and Oxford University. That vaccine, which is not available in the United States, has been linked to more than 220 unusual clotting cases as of April 4, out of 34 million doses delivered.

    Most of the time, it's difficult to directly connect a serious health problem with a vaccine, but with the J&J and AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccines, "there is a smoking gun," said Dr. Theodore Warkentin, who co-authored an April 9 paper describing unusual blood clotting conditions in 11 patients who received the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine.

    Warkentin and his colleagues named the condition vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia or VITT. It is believed to be similar to a rare problem seen either in patients recovering from surgery or from those on heparin, said Warkentin, a hematologist at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada..

    In all cases, the immune system creates antibodies that activate platelets in the bloodstream, he said. The platelets, which normally promote wound healing, end up clumping and causing blood clots, often in the brain.

    The diagnosis of VITT may be challenging, because typical tests for blood clots can come back negative and doctors will have to look specifically for toxic antibodies, said Anand Padmanabhan, an expert in a similar condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopenia at the Mayo Clinic.

    People with suspected VITT should not be given the blood thinner heparin, because it could exacerbate the problem, Padmanabhan said.

    All six of the people diagnosed with rare clots after receiving the J&J vaccine were relatively young women – but that doesn't mean that men and people who are older can't develop the condition, Marks warned.

    "It's a question of whether this is the tip of the iceberg," she said. "Are we just seeing the start of case reports in the U.S. and are we going to see more?"

    "If you mistreat it, people die," she said, "and if you don't treat it, there's still a high mortality associated with it."

    But it can be successfully treated if doctors are looking for it.

    "If you're not aware it can happen or you're not looking for it, it may go undiagnosed," she said.

    Blood thinning drugs other than heparin can be useful for VITT patients, Warkentin said.

    "Whenever there is a concern about the vaccine, they put a hold on it," Al-Samkari said. "That's appropriate and we want that to happen.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/7212193002/
    Reasonable and prudent of CDC, FDA

    Seems these clots are very rare type and seeing it so directly tied to vaccines is concerning. Glad they are being cautious

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    "what the are the CDC and FDA thinking here?"

    After Trash with his HCL, just the flu, his downplaying, bleach BULL , his corrupted CDC/FDS,

    they are trying to restore FDA/CDC credibility by being extremely cautious and protective of the citizenry.

    THAT's THEIR ING JOB

    They have succeeded with the mRNA vaccines, wildly successful.

    J&J death rate, if proven, is still 1000s times less than the damage and death (that we will all pay for) because huge %age of Repugs, Macho men, uniformed services, health workers refused and refuse ANY vaccine, even before the J&J question.

    If people don't want J&J vaccine, there is an increasing abundance of the mRNA vaccines.


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    Kind of what me and others said earlier....trying to re-establish trust in the "deep state" CDC, FDA, etc

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    FUUUUUCK. People were already hesitant about J&J because of the lower efficacy rate despite its trials being done when we were at a much worse point of the pandemic than either the Pfizer or Moderna trials and despite the fact J&J was actively tested on a large scale against the South African variant. This is going to make it ten times worse, what the are the CDC and FDA thinking here? Stopping distribution for 6 cases out of 7 million is nuts. Jesus ing Christ, this vaccine is a lifeline out of the pandemic and the CDC and FDA are ing it up.
    It's the right thing to do. Identify the cases so people with such conditions are moved to the other vaccines and then you can resume. If it saves a few lives, all worth it.
    lol this is exactly how the conversation with my wife went yesterday

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    lol this is exactly how the conversation with my wife went yesterday
    , I'm on the side of the aggie troll vs the doctor

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    Deep State real now

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    Chumpettes will tell you that healthy people just collapse all the time. It happens.

    https://gab.com/a/posts/106066588691370645

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    Chumpettes will tell you that healthy people just collapse all the time. It happens.

    https://gab.com/a/posts/106066588691370645
    Nobody is reading your gab pots, derp

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    lol this is exactly how the conversation with my wife went yesterday
    I think bb would be right if there are no alternatives. But there are. Sure, it might slow down temporarily the vaccination rate until there's a way to accurately weed out people that are prone to have this condition due to the J&J vaccine, but it's the right thing to do, IMO.

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    Nobody is reading your gab pots
    I can't be held responsible for your hurt feelings, El Derpo.

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    I can't be responsible for your hurt feelings, El Derpo.
    You are responsible for throwing garbage that nobody reads on every thread...

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    You are responsible for throwing garbage that nobody reads on every thread...
    You and others hate truth and facts. It happens.

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    I think bb would be right if there are no alternatives. But there are. Sure, it might slow down temporarily the vaccination rate until there's a way to accurately weed out people that are prone to have this condition due to the J&J vaccine, but it's the right thing to do, IMO.
    Its just that the J&J can get us closer to levels that give some semblance of herd immunity quickly. But Based on the re ed antivaccers I dont know if it is possible to reach anyway. At the rate we were achieving we were going to have normal school almost everywhere next fall which will free up so many parents, which I believe will lead to a domino effect on business as well. We need people back traveling and vacationing going to school and work. People back in restaurants... All of course imo.

    Now I cursed it all.

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    You and others hate truth and facts. It happens.
    You...

    Are a fckn idiot.

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    You...

    Are a fckn idiot.
    For why? Tell me what is wrong about what I just said.

    You can't. You're just being the cuckbot you are.

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    For why? Tell me what is wrong about what I just said.

    You can't. You're just being the cuckbot you are.
    Whats wrong with your 9-11 theories...
    You dont know about basic biology, you dont have a clue how the immune system or vaccines work.

    You are more willing to take some complex drug to cure an ill rather than simply telling your own immune system what to do with bio molecules.
    You fckn dont get it.

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    Whats wrong with your 9-11 theories...
    You dont know about basic biology, you dont have a clue how the immune system or vaccines work.

    You are more willing to take some complex drug to cure an ill rather than simply telling your own immune system what to do with bio molecules.
    You fckn dont get it.
    I didn't ask for you to cry about your baggage. Justify your post on the merits or it just means you were lashing out like a little .

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    You and others hate truth and facts. It happens.
    If we wanted to go look for truth and facts in gab, we would. We don't.

    You already admitted not even checking what you post here, so certainly we wouldn't expect you to know what's neither truth or fact.

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    I didn't ask for you to cry about your baggage. Justify your post on the merits or it just means you were lashing out like a little .
    I just did you fckn idiot.

    You would rather take some exotic drug that is very foreign to your body than let YOUR BODY'S OWN IMMUNE SYSTEM WORK like it does every damn day you breath in or eat something that has a chance of infecting you. You would rather try something much more difficult.
    You are...

    A fckn idiot.

    Stop crying and try to read something worthwhile instead of your fantasy magazines/sites in your little tiny make up world devoid of women.

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    If we wanted to go look for truth and facts in gab, we would. We don't.

    You already admitted not even checking what you post here, so certainly we wouldn't expect you to know what's neither truth or fact.
    You want to lash out and have a permanent excuse. That is all. Absolutely nothing wrong with the link posted.

    It's simply something that (badly) hurts your feelings.

    Sure, I've admitted I don't fact check everything for your convenience. NYT and WaPo are constantly retracting and they allegedly have higher standards. You stop reading them? Or is this just a convenient position for you?

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    I just did you fckn idiot.

    You would rather take some exotic drug that is very foreign to your body than let YOUR BODY'S OWN IMMUNE SYSTEM WORK like it does every damn day you breath in or eat something that has a chance of infecting you. You would rather try something much more difficult.
    You are...

    A fckn idiot.

    Stop crying and try to read something worthwhile instead of your fantasy magazines/sites in your little tiny make up world devoid of women.
    Lashing out.

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    Use that when you get told the way it is.

    Ouch... lashing out!

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    You want to lash out and have a permanent excuse. That is all. Absolutely nothing wrong with the link posted.

    It's simply something that (badly) hurts your feelings.

    Sure, I've admitted I don't fact check everything for your convenience. NYT and WaPo are constantly retracting and they allegedly have higher standards. You stop reading them? Or is this just a convenient position for you?
    You're not posting links to stories, dummy. You're posting links to re s. If I wanted to read Re Central I would go to Re Central. It's really not that complicated.

    You already burned bridges with 3/4 of the people in this place, you need to start figuring out when your doing something stupid. I'm just the messenger here, I can put you back on ignore in a millisecond.

    The last thing you want is nobody paying attention to you, that's exactly what you're here for. Get your together.

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    Use that when you get told the way it is.

    Ouch... lashing out!
    I'm not just trying to troll you. You're cuckbotting for real.
    Sorry if that hurts your feelings; but it has to be said.

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