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very sad stuff
I will go with mine
Tier 1 (no brainer, but also no chance of happening)
Cade Cunningham
Jonathan Kuminga
Evan Mobley
Jalen Green
Suggs
Tier 2 (I would be happy)
Franz Wagner
Moses Moody
Alperen Sengun
Scottie Barnes
Tier 3 (enough talent worth taking a shot on)
Jalen Johnson
Josh Giddey
James Bouknight
Keon Johnson
Tier 4 (if everyone above is gone, might as well go high risk, high reward)
Usman Garuba
Isaiah Jackson
Roko Prkacin
Kai Jones
Tier 5 (High floor prospects)
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl
Jaden Springer
Davion Mitc
Ayo Dosunmu
Corey Kispert
very sad stuff
Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress
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Ben Mathurin will return to Arizona for his sop re season, he told ESPN. One of the best shooters in the freshman class. Projected top-20 pick in the ESPN 2022 mock draft.
Why return to Arizona? They're facing a massive penalty and fired their coach. Better to use the transfer portal somewhere else.
Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress
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Ben Mathurin will return to Arizona for his sop re season, he told ESPN. One of the best shooters in the freshman class. Projected top-20 pick in the ESPN 2022 mock draft.
If he goes to another D1 school, UA could make him sit for a year. UA’s fate matters not. He just needs to improve his game.
I guess you don't follow college basketball. This year there's a transfer portal. Players can leave instantly and play elsewhere.
This channel always uploads the best film on players because they include missed shots:
Also, clips on their defense you won't find anywhere else unless you watch the full games. You have to fast forward to the latter half of the video to see their defense.
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Geez. I didn't realize how bad Jalen Johnson was on defense. Poor closeouts on the perimeter, almost makes Rudy Gay look elite. His lateral quickness sucks, too. It's almost Obi Toppin-level bad. His hips are stiff, players blow past him so easily.
Interesting news re Mathurin. I thought he'd have been wonderful as a 2nd round pick, but by the end of the season his stock was rising rapidly. He and his agent must have thought he wouldn't have been a first rounder.
Yes that's the most complete channel about scouting for me with long films. I will watch some of these tapes.
Of the three players I posted, James Bouknight is the best defender, which is insane to think about since he's also a of a scorer. He's a 3-level scorer - a shooter from 3, mid-range, and a finisher. Bouknight should be a riser and a top 10 lock by draft time.
Another riser: Tre Mann
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He might be the big dropper this year.
Duke players are often pretty ty nowadays. They were famous for producing bad pros, then had a few decent ones with a few great ones (Hill, Irving). Now it's like Coach K doesn't even coach them on anything at all.
What's strange is that bouknight is sliding on mocks, maybe linked to the march madness tough he was not that bad.
He's a 10-15 picks in most mocks, before he was more 7-10.
I looked into it deeper and apparently an elbow injury made him miss a lot of games. Similar to Aaron Nesmith who only played 14, Bouknight only played 15. Nesmith's small sample size made him drop a lot in last year's draft. Also, looks like Bouknight didn't shoot all that great despite having a good shooting form. I don't read too much into those percentages, I think he'll be a good shooter in the NBA. Aaron was a lights out shooter in those 14 games and it isn't like he's lighting it up (yet) in the NBA. Shooting percentages can be misleading.
I agree, Neismith was having one unbelivable year, Bouk showed that he can shoot and lead a team during two years tough the % were not good. Imo his team was not that great and he carried them to a good season.
If the Spurs have some of Moody, Bouknight or Keon Johnson available that will not be easy to pass on them even if they are SG or SF.
nbadraft has the Spurs taking Johnny Juzang right now. I don't think he'll go there -- my guess is he pulls out of the draft -- but he's intriguing, whether for the Spurs or not. They need some guy who can just get buckets, and lots of them, as needed, and he's shown he can do that. He's also shown he needs a lot of work elsewhere, but he's 20 years old, has decent size, and carried big brass balls throughout the tournament.
I think it's unlikely but possible for the Spurs to surpass the Heat, Hornets, Blazers, and Grizzlies in the win column at season's end. I don't think they will pass the Mavericks nor the Celtics.
Pick range seems to be between 13th to 19th. My guess is it'll be between 13th and 17th.
Yeah he is bad but man watching Giddey on Defense doesn't look good at all I just don't know if he has the foot speed to be able to defend his man one on one.
Yeah, figuring out what pick the Spurs are most likely to get is difficult right now. If they miss the playoffs, they're guaranteed no lower than 14. But there are scenarios where they are the 9th seed, miss the playoffs, other play-in teams make the playoffs and the Spurs end up with the 12th pick. And then, like you said, one hot stretch to end the season and they could quick start moving to the 17, 18, 19 range.
I've been watching more bigs to see if any are worth considering in the first round...
-I don't even really understand why Usman Garuba is considered a first round prospect. Good mobility on defense and can protect the rim a bit even though he's only 6-foot-8 ... but that's about it. Years ago, PFs could get by in the NBA by just playing defense. But those days ended years ago. A defense-only PF who looks too small to play center and can't do anything on offense is not someone I'd want to pick in the first round, tbh. I don't buy Garuba's mechanical jumper at all and he has no other real instincts besides finishing at the rim. His ultimate upside would be a smaller Gorgui Dieng. Hard pass, tbh. I don't even really like Sengun but I'd much rather draft Sengun than Garuba.
-Day'Ron Sharpe is another non-fit in today's NBA. Not much of an athlete and little hope he could ever hit a jumper. Shouldn't be a first round pick. He has legit size and length for a center but that alone isn't enough anymore.
-I like Isaiah Jackson a little bit better than Sharpe or Garuba ... but not much. Slender build, not as springy as he's billed and not too skilled. He'll probably go in the first round but I don't want the Spurs to pick him, tbh.
-I don't think San Antonio's own Charles Bassey is going to get drafted. Maybe late by a dumb team but that's about the best he could hope for. He would have been an NBA player 25 years ago but not these days.
-Neemias Queta has enough skill that he's a little bit intriguing. Not as a first rounder though. I'd put Queta and Luka Garza in the same category in that it's understandable if you use a mid to late second round pick on him since they have actual skill to go along with their size.
-Ariel Hukporti was so bad that I couldn't even stomach watching his tape.
I am thinking we go with SG in first round I think where we will pick that is the best Valued players will be and I think in the second round the best Value will be SF/PF positions.
Don't forget about a big you didn't mention, Kai Jones. He may be available at 12-16 and when it comes to the draft, the best ability is availability.
I haven't seen a combination of height, athleticism, shooting ability and motor like him in quite a while. And he's just going to get better.
It's not like they're passing up some gem if they grab him -- despite all previous reports to the contrary, this draft looks pretty weak to me. Maybe even worse than last year's.
Hopefully, all the other GMs are thinking about Kai like most on this board.
Yeah I've posted in this thread about how I like Kai, especially compared to the other bigs in this draft. I don't love him but he's a really good athlete with an impressive trajectory of improvement. Picking him ~14 in this draft wouldn't be hard to justify at all.
His defense is indeed disappointing but it does make me wonder if it's because of NBL culture and defense isn't taken seriously over there.
I was thinking about trade ups into the 8-13 range, and the only players I would trade up for within that range (assuming none of the top 3 fall) are Franz Wagner & Moses Moody. As much as I like Giddey, I wouldn't trade up for him. Maybe Murray and/or Lonnie can be dangled for a pick within that range and we keep our natural pick, then DeMar for Markkanen.
White/ Tre/ Q
Vassell/ Mills/ Giddey
Keldon/ KBD/ Wagner
Markkanen/ Samanic
Poeltl/ Eubanks/ Dieng
Giddey and Wagner get no playing time in their first year, obviously.
Shooting won't be a problem anymore with that rotation. We only need to keep two natural fours on the roster (Lauri & Luka) since our threes can slide up (Keldon & Franz).
For the scenario where DeMar and Lonnie are kept:
White/ Tre/ Q
Vassell/ Lonnie/ Mills
DeMar/ KBD/ Wagner
Keldon/ Luka
Poeltl/ Eubanks/ Dieng
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