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    I don’t think what’s going on with the GOP has anything to do with a personality cult of Trump per se. He’s just the first in bent who was willing to try to stay in power despite losing an election. For that, he will be revered forever.

    I don’t believe many, if any at all, of these people actually believe there was “massive fraud” in the 2020, at least not in the sense of a bunch of votes being cast by people who were legally ineligible to vote, or vote counts being electronically altered to give a predetermined result. The actual “massive fraud” in their eyes is demographic change that allows a Democratic candidate to win despite losing the white vote 58-41.

    Their belief in American ideals... was contingent upon the USA being a white country. 60 years ago there were six white people for every nonwhite. Now for every six white people, there are four nonwhites. In thirty years, it will be six to six if they do nothing. And they’re not having it. They didn’t ask for that change, they don’t accept it, and they want it back the way it was. If the only way to have a democratic republic going forward is pluralism, then they say, to with it.

    I think what’s happening right now with the resurgence of the “Big Lie” is a preference cascade in which Republican politicians are realizing that their base does not believe in American democracy anymore, and not only will not punish them for walking away from it, but absolutely WILL punish them for failing to do whatever is necessary to hold onto power.

    This is a preference cascade because the vast majority of Republican voters and Republican politicians believed that overt hostility to democracy would be wildly unpopular and result in immediate, severe blowback, so they kept their beliefs to themselves. Trump brought it out into the open. After January 6, these politicians thought even GOP voters would be angry and incensed about the attack on the Capitol. On the contrary, at least a solid plurality GOP voters wanted a successful coup.

    They’re not quite at the point where the masses are willing to say it out loud, which is why we have the empty rhetoric of “electoral integrity” the absurd spectacle in Arizona of looking for traces of bamboo in ballots. They’ll say it out loud once their subversion is successful.

    But here’s the thing — this isn’t just about power. Power is the means to an end. I don’t think the GOP base wants white minority rule. They want white MAJORITY rule. They want it back the way it was. Ending democracy is just the beginning.

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    Seeing people on TV of a different color or even neighbors in the community with a different color shade doesn't bother majority of Republicans or Americans. People on TV lecturing about how privileged or evil you are because you were born with a specific skin shade is angering people. Policies that prioritize based on skin and gender is unattractive to these people.

    The issue for them isn't color. It's how skin color is being weaponized.

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    In the 2020 election, Trump gained increasing support from every demographic except one

    White males

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    In the 2020 election, Trump gained increasing support from every demographic except one

    White males
    Trump lost in a landslide.

    And you voted for him.

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    So much easier to just type "deplorables"

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    So much easier to just type "deplorables"
    Do you think the January 6th rioters were deplorables?

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    So much easier to just type "deplorables"
    What do you believe in, Darrin?

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    OP the demographic change discussion already occurred a couple decades ago and was accepted. I've visited the most (white) racist of English language based outlets and it is widely understood demographic switch is inevitable.

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    Do you think the January 6th rioters were deplorables?
    Yes

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    What do you believe in, Darrin?
    That you spend an incredibly sad amount of time here.

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    That you spend an incredibly sad amount of time here.
    You can just say there is nothing you believe in, Darrin.

    No need to lash out at me for asking.

    I hope you don't try to use alcohol as an excuse this early.

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    That you spend an incredibly sad amount of time here.
    Says the guy who ignores his wife and kids every night in order to drunk post here

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    So much easier to just type "deplorables"
    Can't argue with any of the points, just decides to play the victim card instead. You are so persecuted.

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    Somewhat predictable due to the overpopulation of boomers, an incredibly selfish generation running mostly on nostalgia these days.

    You do have to give credit to Dennison for being that one conman that sold them they could get everything back.

    It's really unfortunate COVID wasn't more deadly towards elderly people, tbh.

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    OP the demographic change discussion already occurred a couple decades ago and was accepted. I've visited the most (white) racist of English language based outlets and it is widely understood demographic switch is inevitable.
    I don't think the word you're trying to use there is "accepted", it's more like "inevitable". Doesn't mean they're going to lay down and take it. Trump was somewhat validation that they weren't alone, and I'm sure they would love to stay out of the closet, but they can't now.

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    What about the ones screaming 'Jews will not replace us' in Charlottesville?

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    What about the ones screaming 'Jews will not replace us' in Charlottesville?
    i can never look up any news stories in my area without coming across articles of that nazi rally

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    I don't think the word you're trying to use there is "accepted", it's more like "inevitable". Doesn't mean they're going to lay down and take it. Trump was somewhat validation that they weren't alone, and I'm sure they would love to stay out of the closet, but they can't now.
    There certainly is preference, as every parallel society in America holds. There is mistreatment at the local level. In terms of what a President can do? Deport citizens or import more Europeans?

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    There certainly is preference, as every parallel society in America holds. There is mistreatment at the local level. In terms of what a President can do? Deport citizens or import more Europeans?
    I don't think the President needs to do anything at all when it comes to racial requests from any faction. I do think the President, as well as the justice system and Congress need to be unequivocal about the importance of democracy, and display unwavering support for it.

    If we're being blunt, this has Confederate butthurt written all over it, tbh...

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    Seeing people on TV of a different color or even neighbors in the community with a different color shade doesn't bother majority of Republicans or Americans. People on TV lecturing about how privileged or evil you are because you were born with a specific skin shade is angering people. Policies that prioritize based on skin and gender is unattractive to these people.

    The issue for them isn't color. It's how skin color is being weaponized.
    Oh yes for sure.

    I wanna be a weaponized black woman in the US.
    It has sooo many benefits.
    I could be anything.

    A Supreme Court Justice... rats
    The President... damn it
    Board of Trustee member for a Big Beautiful Bank...
    A member of the National Academy of Science...

    Unwed mother. YES... This is what THEY want! Dream about. Die for...
    They dont strive for anything of consequence so this is what they get dammit.

    Go Frosty.

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    Oh yes for sure.

    I wanna be a weaponized black woman in the US.
    It has sooo many benefits.
    I could be anything.

    A Supreme Court Justice... rats
    The President... damn it
    Board of Trustee member for a Big Beautiful Bank...
    A member of the National Academy of Science...

    Unwed mother. YES... This is what THEY want! Dream about. Die for...
    They dont strive for anything of consequence so this is what they get dammit.

    Go Frosty.
    What happened to Team POC? Increasingly thriving for a long time now.

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    Some good points but OP lost me a bit at "vast majority believed...but kept it to themselves"

    There's no way you can know this, so it's quite likely you're assuming it based on wishcasting and thus claiming it to be true. It's just as likely (probably even more so) that the vast majority of Republican voters aren't even in tune with what's going on post election other than "Biden sucks" and "gas prices suck". The rhetoric around here seems more ratcheted up than it was when Trump was in office, nary a word about the current administration though.

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