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    But Jan 6 was a coup attempt that almost succeeded, nary a gun.
    This is your opinion.

    My opinion on Jan 6th is that it was a coup attempt that failed mightily, in large part because guns were not largely involved. It also demonstrated there is a dangerous, extremist, very dumb group of people that will eat bullets if necessary to subvert democracy, which is dangerous in itself.

    If having a gun doesn't help you, what does not having a gun do for you? We'd have to ask the Jews if they were still around.
    One thing that it certainly does is not give you a false sense of security. I'm pretty confident Johnny here thought that gun was the difference between life and death, and well, looks like he was wrong.

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    What does that have to do with the fact he killed the shooter? He might be alive today, but many other cops might not be. Being a coward isn't always the right approach. How did calling the cops and hiding work in Walmart or King Sooper's or Luby's?
    This is all largely speculation though. Pretending to be a hero isn't always the right approach either. This is a tangible example of that.

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    This is your opinion.

    My opinion on Jan 6th is that it was a coup attempt that failed mightily, in large part because guns were not largely involved. It also demonstrated there is a dangerous, extremist, very dumb group of people that will eat bullets if necessary to subvert democracy, which is dangerous in itself.
    No, it's sarcasm. A few here opined that it was an attempted coup. They want to say unarmed people are dangerous to democracy but at the same time it's useless to own a firearm because of F15s.
    One thing that it certainly does is not give you a false sense of security. I'm pretty confident Johnny here thought that gun was the difference between life and death, and well, looks like he was wrong.
    Cops also shoot unarmed people.
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    No, it's sarcasm. A few here opined that it was an attempted coup, that it was deadly and dangerous and shook the country to the core. If all that can happen without a gun, imagine if they were armed. Yeah they could be stopped, but the mistake plenty here make is to assume LEO and military wouldn't be part of the mob.
    That's when you roll out the F-15s, tbh, if needed at all... still is 100% illusory.

    Heck, the top military command did not want anything to do with Trump and his calls to action against civilians.

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    That's when you roll out the F-15s, tbh, if needed at all... still is 100% illusory.

    Heck, the top military command did not want anything to do with Trump and his calls to action against civilians.
    F15s are too fast for population control. You'd need something more along the line of the Apache gunship or the A-10 Thunderbolt.

    I don't think it would be an official military position, but there are plenty "muh gun" types in both LEO and military.

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    This is all largely speculation though. Pretending to be a hero isn't always the right approach either. This is a tangible example of that.
    What's the difference between being a hero and pretending to be one? Stopping the shooter is stopping the shooter. Being killed afterward in a mistaken iden y can happen. It happens to undercover cops too, as well as fratricide in the military.

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    F15s are too fast for population control. You'd need something more along the line of the Apache gunship or the A-10 Thunderbolt.

    I don't think it would be an official military position, but there are plenty "muh gun" types in both LEO and military.
    It depends. I think the idea was what a civil war would look like today. I think the point was that if you get a rogue batallion or pilot getting the wrong idea, he'll have to deal with the rest of the force.

    I said it before, in this day and age (actually, since around 30+ years ago until now) you look at coups around the world and without the military spearheading it, it's all imaginary.

    I get that there's some romanticism from the 1800s about we the people uprising against tyranny... it's all stupidity at this point in time. There are a lot of good arguments to make about the 2A, fighting the oppressive federal government isn't one.

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    What's the difference between being a hero and pretending to be one? Stopping the shooter is stopping the shooter. Being killed afterward in a mistaken iden y can happen. It happens to undercover cops too, as well as fratricide in the military.
    How did he know what the shooting was about, and who was the good or bad guy? Just that one was dressed as a cop and one did not? He didn't know. It turned out to be the right call, but this is also the risk of being jury and executioner as well. If it was the wrong call, would we be talking about a hero now?

    Getting involved ended up with getting himself killed, despite having a gun. Was that the right call? You think his wife would rather have to remember the hero or have him next to her instead?

    At least he didn't kill somebody else, or got somebody else killed exchanging fire with the perpetrator, but that's also not out of the realm as well.

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    It depends. I think the idea was what a civil war would look like today. I think the point was that if you get a rogue batallion or pilot getting the wrong idea, he'll have to deal with the rest of the force.

    I said it before, in this day and age (actually, since around 30+ years ago until now) you look at coups around the world and without the military spearheading it, it's all imaginary.

    I get that there's some romanticism from the 1800s about we the people uprising against tyranny... it's all stupidity at this point in time. There are a lot of good arguments to make about the 2A, fighting the oppressive federal government isn't one.
    Yeah, it was imaginary. It's still being used as a scare tactic as if we were on the precipice of having a new leadership foisted upon us by the buffalo man. I'm trying to recall what happened in the 1800's.

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    Yeah, it was imaginary. It's still being used as a scare tactic as if we were on the precipice of having a new leadership foisted upon us by the buffalo man. I'm trying to recall what happened in the 1800's.
    Make that 'the middle-end of the 1700s'...

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    Make that 'the middle-end of the 1700s'...
    Ok slightly before my time but I heard tell of it.

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    Ok slightly before my time but I heard tell of it.
    We'll be drinking margaritas over it next weekend!

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    We'll be drinking margaritas over it next weekend!
    And every other liberation holiday for any country on Earth imo

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