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    Man shut up it's soft dudes like you that make this worse. It's not misogynistic to question if young men will respect or listen to a first time female coach. Why is it that soft as men always feel the need to call other men misogynists just because they don't get down on fours and worship women.


    Man, so much insecurity. No one is saying to get down and worship women. Holy .

    The fact that you have to go from 0 to 100 says everything.

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    also. i love the amorphous quality of "san antonio figures"-that could mean just about anyone.
    "The guy who runs the taco truck on Nacogdoches told me."

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    also. i love the amorphous quality of "san antonio figures"-that could mean just about anyone.
    You want them to name the former coaches and players who gave their feedback in supposed confidence? Why is it so hard to understand that people say one thing in front of the camera because they are towing the company line & loyal to a coaching fraternity but saying something entirely different in private? Why do you think Mark Jackson doesn't have a coaching job after Golden State? Why can't Kareem Abdul Jabbar get a head coaching gig? How about Patrick Ewing? Maybe they're colossal pricks to work with, that's why. Perhaps they've been black-balled. No one will go on the record and say it. If you don't play the game right, you won't play.

    In Becky's situation, there's a good chance her hype is a combination of being media-driven due to her gender and SOME people saying the right things when their names are attached to it. Why exactly did the Celtics hype her & then promptly hire Udoka? Did she even get an interview? Why didn't Udoka reach out to her instead of Hardy if she's such a hot commodity? Read between the lines.
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    You want them to name the former coaches and players who gave their feedback in supposed confidence? Why is it so hard to understand that people say one thing in front of the camera because they are towing the company line & loyal to a coaching fraternity but saying something entirely different in private? Why do you think Mark Jackson doesn't have a coaching job after Golden State? Why can't Kareem Abdul Jabbar get a head coaching gig? How about Patrick Ewing? Maybe they're colossal pricks to work with, that's why. Perhaps they've been black-balled. No one will go on the record and say it. If you don't play the game right, you won't play.

    In Becky's situation, there's a good chance her hype is a combination of being media-driven due to her gender and SOME people saying the right things when their names are attached to it. Why exactly did the Celtics hype her & then promptly hired Udoka? Why didn't Udoka reach out to her instead of Hardy if she's such a hot commodity? Read between the lines.
    i'm reading the lines, not between them and it's odd that the reporter used the phrase 'figures'. it's obtuse and tells us nothing. had it said "previous member of the coaching staff, players, scouts"..anything. there are no specifics here. none. back in the day, this doesn't even go to print.

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    Will Hardy bounced to Boston with Ime Udoka.


    DAMN

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    You want them to name the former coaches and players who gave their feedback in supposed confidence? Why is it so hard to understand that people say one thing in front of the camera because they are towing the company line & loyal to a coaching fraternity but saying something entirely different in private? Why do you think Mark Jackson doesn't have a coaching job after Golden State? Why can't Kareem Abdul Jabbar get a head coaching gig? How about Patrick Ewing? Maybe they're colossal pricks to work with, that's why. Perhaps they've been black-balled. No one will go on the record and say it. If you don't play the game right, you won't play.

    In Becky's situation, there's a good chance her hype is a combination of being media-driven due to her gender and SOME people saying the right things when their names are attached to it. Why exactly did the Celtics hype her & then promptly hired Udoka? Why didn't Udoka reach out to her instead of Hardy if she's such a hot commodity? Read between the lines.
    Let’s also acknowledge that there are no shortage of guys who objectify woman so much so that they think putting gifs of them in their signature and butts in their avatars isn’t a misogynistic expression of their manhood.

    …or lack of.

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    Let’s also acknowledge that there are no shortage of guys who objectify woman so much so that they think putting gifs of them in their signature and butts in their avatars isn’t a misogynistic expression of their manhood.

    …or lack of.

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    posters falling for the obvious hit job piece on Becky and using it to justify their already self-assured misogynistic beliefs of her. You'd think people would be less gullible after the myriads of non-story hit pieces we've seen through the years, and especially in a case like this with the Pacers' PR disaster, but alas...

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    Let’s also acknowledge that there are no shortage of guys who objectify woman so much so that they think putting gifs of them in their signature and butts in their avatars isn’t a misogynistic expression of their manhood.

    …or lack of.
    Lol, says the head with an avatar of a heart saying "I ING LOVE YOU ". Unless of course you're referring to your cell mate.

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    posters falling for the obvious hit job piece on Becky and using it to justify their already self-assured misogynistic beliefs of her. You'd think people would be less gullible after the myriads of non-story hit pieces we've seen through the years, and especially in a case like this with the Pacers' PR disaster, but alas...

    not a coincidence most of them are Trumpers

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    My take on Becky is that we don't really know much about her as a coach yet, she needs to be an assistant on an actually good winning team for another year or two. I love my Spurs but he m not blinded by that where I know they aren't that and haven't been for awhile.
    Uh, she was hired by the Spurs in 2014, and I'd say that '14 team was pretty good. Not to mention posterior 60-win seasons with LMA and Nephew where she was also AC. It's kind of not her fault the Spurs aren't good enough right now to give her more "experience on good teams".

    Why is it so hard to understand that people say one thing in front of the camera because they are towing the company line & loyal to a coaching fraternity but saying something entirely different in private?

    In Becky's situation, there's a good chance her hype is a combination of being media-driven due to her gender and SOME people saying the right things when their names are attached to it.
    Yeah, Becky's absolutely only praised when people are "in front of the cameras". It's not like multiple people who have nothing to gain from praising her, have done so through the years, many unrelated to the Spurs. It's not like a HoF player like Pau Gasol would write a literal open letter, without prompt nor gain, highlighting her coaching capabilities... Oh wait, but he did -

    "I’ve played with some of the best players of this generation … and I’ve played under two of the sharpest minds in the history of sports, in Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich. And I’m telling you: Becky Hammon can coach. I’m not saying she can coach pretty well. I’m not saying she can coach enough to get by. I’m not saying she can coach almost at the level of the NBA’s male coaches. I’m saying: Becky Hammon can coach NBA basketball. Period."

    GTFO with your assumptions, my guy. The fact is that the world doesn't abide by your narrow, conservative, outdated views - and it's somehow always Americans failing to grasp this beautiful, simple concept...

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    Lol, says the head with an avatar of a heart saying "I ING LOVE YOU ". Unless of course you're referring to your cell mate.
    A misogynist goes right into the antiquated belief that calling someone “gay” still resonates in 2021.

    Nice work .

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    You want them to name the former coaches and players who gave their feedback in supposed confidence? Why is it so hard to understand that people say one thing in front of the camera because they are towing the company line & loyal to a coaching fraternity but saying something entirely different in private? Why do you think Mark Jackson doesn't have a coaching job after Golden State? Why can't Kareem Abdul Jabbar get a head coaching gig? How about Patrick Ewing? Maybe they're colossal pricks to work with, that's why. Perhaps they've been black-balled. No one will go on the record and say it. If you don't play the game right, you won't play.

    In Becky's situation, there's a good chance her hype is a combination of being media-driven due to her gender and SOME people saying the right things when their names are attached to it. Why exactly did the Celtics hype her & then promptly hire Udoka? Did she even get an interview? Why didn't Udoka reach out to her instead of Hardy if she's such a hot commodity? Read between the lines.
    Will Hardy is a ‘hot commodity’ and he’s been turned down for HC jobs every off-season. This is his fist shot outside of the Spurs. And it’s an asst. job.

    So what exactly are we reading between the lines.

    Ime been with the Spurs 6 seasons and kept getting passed over for HC jobs. Finally landing in BK as and asst. coach. We reading between those lines too.

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    A misogynist goes right into the antiquated belief that calling someone “gay” still resonates in 2021.

    Nice work .
    Sorry to out you my gal/guy, he/she whatever you identify as. We can all agree you're a lonely, sad loser.

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    Will Hardy is a ‘hot commodity’ and he’s been turned down for HC jobs every off-season. This is his fist shot outside of the Spurs. And it’s an asst. job.

    So what exactly are we reading between the lines.

    Ime been with the Spurs 6 seasons and kept getting passed over for HC jobs. Finally landing in BK as and asst. coach. We reading between those lines too.
    We're reading she isn't ready to be a head coach despite all the positive comments.

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    Sorry to out you my gal/guy, he/she whatever you identify as. We can all agree you're a lonely, sad loser.
    Lol @ you trying to double down on calling me gay. You gonna drop the N word next?

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    posters falling for the obvious hit job piece on Becky and using it to justify their already self-assured misogynistic beliefs of her. You'd think people would be less gullible after the myriads of non-story hit pieces we've seen through the years, and especially in a case like this with the Pacers' PR disaster, but alas...
    well-this is the same country that depends on one america news and alex jones to justify it's bat crazy beliefs so...

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    Lol @ you trying to double down on calling me gay. You gonna drop the N word next?
    Nah precious, it was the L word. Now crawl back to your safe space and suck on a....thumb? Yeah, lets say thumb. By the way, you need to look up the word misogynist. It describes you & your life choices perfectly or you don't understand what it means...unless of course I'm conversing with "Pat" or "Butch" over here.

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    Uh, she was hired by the Spurs in 2014, and I'd say that '14 team was pretty good. Not to mention posterior 60-win seasons with LMA and Nephew where she was also AC. It's kind of not her fault the Spurs aren't good enough right now to give her more "experience on good teams".



    Yeah, Becky's absolutely only praised when people are "in front of the cameras". It's not like multiple people who have nothing to gain from praising her, have done so through the years, many unrelated to the Spurs. It's not like a HoF player like Pau Gasol would write a literal open letter, without prompt nor gain, highlighting her coaching capabilities... Oh wait, but he did -

    "I’ve played with some of the best players of this generation … and I’ve played under two of the sharpest minds in the history of sports, in Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich. And I’m telling you: Becky Hammon can coach. I’m not saying she can coach pretty well. I’m not saying she can coach enough to get by. I’m not saying she can coach almost at the level of the NBA’s male coaches. I’m saying: Becky Hammon can coach NBA basketball. Period."

    GTFO with your assumptions, my guy. The fact is that the world doesn't abide by your narrow, conservative, outdated views - and it's somehow always Americans failing to grasp this beautiful, simple concept...
    The world doesn't abide by it, huh? Why isn't she a head coach then? Cause the world is wrong damn it!!! Everyone else is wrong!!! The world needs a female coach!!! Hear me roar!! Man, you GTFOH with your political assumptions about me. I'm not a conservative or Trumper or whatever the you want to label people who don't agree with your liberal, lefty progressive views.

    Paul Gasol wrote that puff piece in hopes of having people forgive and forget his insensitive Chinese eyes mockery with his Spanish teammates. That or he lost a bet. Maybe you weren't paying attention. I didn't say she couldn't coach, I said she wasn't going to be hired as an NBA head coach.

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    So Blazers not only hire a suspected rapist they also throw Becky under the bus. Portland sure is a confused city.
    of course, the mavs went with kidd-who has a history of domestic abuse. and this is an organization that is supposedly dedicating itself to changing its misogynistic culture.

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    i dont give a what becky has between her legs as long as she can coach. If shes the right person s be hired,and get her shot period. I believe it will happen,but who knows when at this point

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    Probably going down a rabbit hole here, but I think there is a big difference between acknowledging that misogyny is still very much prevalent in this world and saying that you support it.

    I think Becky has and will continue to face many challenges in this career choice for that reason. I don't agree with those challenges, and I also know a lot of people who don't also agree with it.

    Personally, I think she deserves a fair chance as much anybody else, and I like to believe that a majority of people agree.

    But that isn't going to magically make all the guys in her locker room or organization feel the same way. The fact that she has made it this far is a sign of progress, but there will always be racists, sexists, elitists, etc. out there and their voices tend to be heard the loudest.
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    Probably going down a rabbit hole here, but I think there is a big difference between acknowledging that misogyny is still very much prevalent in this world and saying that you support it.

    I think Becky has and will continue to face many challenges in this career choice for that reason. I don't support, and I also know a lot of people who don't support it.

    Personally, I think she deserves a fair chance as much anybody else, and I like to believe that a majority of people agree.

    But that isn't going to magically make all the guys in her locker room or organization feel the same way. The fact that she has made it this far is a sign of progress, but there will always be racists, sexists, elitists, etc. out there and their voices tend to be heard the loudest.

    Of course. Someone will hire the first female coach,but it doesn't mean it will come easily or willingly for that matter

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    IMHO -

    From my experience, in order for there to be "change" at the highest level of a professional workplace or compe ion; it first must begin so at the junior or amateur levels of such.
    Thus, the idea of a "Woman breaking through" shouldn't be seen as that - simply, a natural progression of systemic evolution.

    Stating objectively, there are enough significant physiological and biological differences between both sexes,
    thus I don't think it's as easy as dismissing some concerns or labeling people misogynists/bigots for their differing viewpoints on athletic and skill comparisons between sexes when both are very much intertwined in Basketball at its upper echelon levels,
    (even if their speech may not conform to a political correctness ideology or is deemed insensitive to some).

    The discussion needs to be had, (like many issues in life), by allowing a freedom of speech and thought and thus receptive listeners to get to the real crux of the matter.

    My take is that if younger male would-be athletes encountered more experiences, teachings and coaching throughout there sporting endeavors from Woman;
    the idea of a first Female HC in the NBA may not only be seen as progressive, but somebody who first and foremost is right for the role irrespective of sex, race and political affiliations.

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    IMHO -

    From my experience, in order for there to be "change" at the highest level of a professional workplace or compe ion; it first must begin so at the junior or amateur levels of such.
    Thus, the idea of a "Woman breaking through" shouldn't be seen as that - simply, a natural progression of systemic evolution.

    Stating objectively, there are enough significant physiological and biological differences between both sexes,
    thus I don't think it's as easy as dismissing some concerns or labeling people misogynists/bigots for their differing viewpoints on athletic and skill comparisons between sexes when both are very much intertwined in Basketball at its upper echelon levels,
    (even if their speech may not conform to a political correctness ideology or is deemed insensitive to some).

    The discussion needs to be had, (like many issues in life), by allowing a freedom of speech and thought and thus receptive listeners to get to the real crux of the matter.

    My take is that if younger male would-be athletes encountered more experiences, teachings and coaching throughout there sporting endeavors from Woman;
    the idea of a first Female HC in the NBA may not only be seen as progressive, but somebody who first and foremost is right for the role irrespective of sex, race and political affiliations.
    I appreciate what you are saying. People, in general, have been conditioned from decades of history, and fixing that needs to start at a young age and go from the bottom up.

    That said...boys and girls are both taught by men and women from elementary/grade school...whether it is math, science, English, or physical education.

    There are plenty of examples of female gym teachers, coaches, etc who teach and coach both sexes in lower levels. I had several P.E. teachers public school who were women, and I can't say I ever had a second thought about it.

    Maybe that is why we are seeing a shift occurring. Maybe not. It will take time.

    It's just sad that some grown men can't see the difference. Women have been okay with being coached by a male coach for a long time now.

    We seem to be in a particular moment in history of breaking through previous prejudice, and for better or worse, Hammon needs to ride that wave. She may end up being a leader, or a martyr....maybe both depending upon who you talk to. But someone has to kick through that door, and she is in the best position to do so.

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