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    That WOW game was against Coppin State. The next few games were against better compe ion, Michigan State being one of them.

    His HS issues weren’t with the school he won the state championship with. He had enrolled with one of those basketball magnet schools for his senior year, and quit without playing a game.
    I see Jalen Johnson dropping to a point where a team feels the incredible risk of spending a high draft pick and guaranteed money balances with the high likelihood that he's a Royce White-type flake (if different) and will never play a game, or very few. Could be one of the teams with more than one pick. After he's drafted, who knows. Maybe he's great, but he hasn't shown an ability to make his case with interviews. I understand he's young, but there are massive warning signs for a huge outlay in resources. So, I see him drop.

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    Brought him up last week. He is one of my favorite prospects.

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    Lol, Euroleague is better.

    Most D-League is just a collection of marginal pros after their own points and stats with some guidance by a coach. There is very little cohesion in play on either side of the ball. A good college team beats them most of the time, if not all of the time. Remember that the top players on the top college teams will be drafted higher than any D-League players ever were.

    I mean, this ain't pickup basketball. A cohesive team with good players beats a collection of mercs all the time.
    Unless that collection of mercs is the original dream team

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    I understand... I guess my point is that all of the "info" on his "issues" is pretty foggy, and made up mostly of secondhand gossip and rumor. I don't really know anything about what his specific personality quirks actually are. For example, on the surface of it, if he left a magnet program and then went to a school that won the State Championship, couldn't that be construed as a good decision rather than a bad one? I honestly don't know, but also don't feel inclined to necessarily believe internet gossip on the topic. Tankathon has him at #6 on their Big Board, and I think they tend to have a good eye for talent on that site.
    At the end of the day, the teams have avenues to explore player character better than any of us. Pop can call up Coach K or whoever and get the skinny on what actually happened. If Duke says he's a good kid with some screws loose, maybe they pick him. If they say stay the away, they'll not.

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    Most D-League is just a collection of marginal pros after their own points and stats with some guidance by a coach. There is very little cohesion in play on either side of the ball. A good college team beats them most of the time, if not all of the time. Remember that the top players on the top college teams will be drafted higher than any D-League players ever were.

    I mean, this ain't pickup basketball. A cohesive team with good players beats a collection of mercs all the time.
    The issue you are seeing here is the difference in objectives between a G-league team and college team. The college team is being run to get wins in the short term (and thus get into March Madness) so the school makes money off the program. The G league team is there to develop the players sent down by the owning NBA team. So the G-league team runs sets focused to let 1 or 2 players (the guys sent down) to get reps in specific situations, and they run them over and over and over again. Even when they aren't working; the idea is to let the player figure it out. Whereas the college team is running whatever tricky stuff the coach can dream up... But if a g-league team and a college team played, with both sides primary objective being to win the game, the g-league team is going to win. The skill and physical ability of the average G-league player is quite a bit better than the average college player.

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    Yes, they are. You're overrating D-League quite badly. Gonzaga or Baylor would have roughed up most D-League teams. You don't understand the value of a well-coached, cohesive unit.
    No way college team beat the d-leagues. Not even lose. Just like NBA teams cannot beat NBA all-star team.

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    OKC has the most draft capital. They have 6 picks, 3 in each round......including 3 of the top 18. Of course, their roster is pure right now, so they need all the prospects they can get. Still, it would be nice if we could figure out a way to get two of the picks in a trade, one in each round, without losing any of our picks. I just don't feel like we really have much to offer for them to do so.

    It would be nice if the NBA would allow FA to start on July 1. Then, by the time the draft comes around in late July, many of the teams will have a better handle on their rosters.

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    No way college team beat the d-leagues. Not even lose. Just like NBA teams cannot beat NBA all-star team.
    Of course an NBA team could beat an NBA all-star team. A college team beat the USA Dream Team. This isn't EA Sports video games.

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    OKC has the most draft capital. They have 6 picks, 3 in each round......including 3 of the top 18. Of course, their roster is pure right now, so they need all the prospects they can get. Still, it would be nice if we could figure out a way to get two of the picks in a trade, one in each round, without losing any of our picks. I just don't feel like we really have much to offer for them to do so.

    It would be nice if the NBA would allow FA to start on July 1. Then, by the time the draft comes around in late July, many of the teams will have a better handle on their rosters.
    The playoffs are still going on. You can't start FA when teams are occupied elsewhere. The draft also shows what teams need once they're done.

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    Of course an NBA team could beat an NBA all-star team. A college team beat the USA Dream Team. This isn't EA Sports video games.
    Yes sir. You're right. college teams can beat G-league teams! one out of 10 times?. When the D-leagues are tired of beating college teams 9 times and have no more motivation, college boys will win one game. A high school team can do that too. Maybe 1 out of 30 times?

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    Debating the level of compe ion is a horse that’s been beaten to death so many times. It’s a hypothetical that is irrelevant since it will never be tested out. Way too many variables to come to any conclusion.

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    https://www.nba.com/hornets/video/te...sduarte-365529

    Hornets have been uploading interviews with prospects they have worked out.

    - As has been discussed already, Chris Duarte’s next workout is in San Antonio. He confirmed it in this interview too.

    - Jaden Springer interview also up. Just previously worked out with the Pacers. Pick #11 and pick #13. Hmmm…

    - Keon Johnson and James Bouknight also worked out for them. Bouknight interview is the only one not posted.
    ‘Keon coy on where his next workouts are.

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    The playoffs are still going on. You can't start FA when teams are occupied elsewhere. The draft also shows what teams need once they're done.
    I think that there's been talk about swapping the draft and FA. It makes more sense tbh. Have free agency start July 1st (under normal league calendar years) and then have the draft happen like three weeks later.

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    https://www.nba.com/hornets/video/te...sduarte-365529

    Hornets have been uploading interviews with prospects they have worked out.

    - As has been discussed already, Chris Duarte’s next workout is in San Antonio. He confirmed it in this interview too.

    - Jaden Springer interview also up. Just previously worked out with the Pacers. Pick #11 and pick #13. Hmmm…

    - Keon Johnson and James Bouknight also worked out for them. Bouknight interview is the only one not posted.
    ‘Keon coy on where his next workouts are.
    very strange that the reporter asked him which other workouts he has that are happening and he only says San Antonio. Maybe he didn’t fully understand.

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    I understand... I guess my point is that all of the "info" on his "issues" is pretty foggy, and made up mostly of secondhand gossip and rumor. I don't really know anything about what his specific personality quirks actually are. For example, on the surface of it, if he left a magnet program and then went to a school that won the State Championship, couldn't that be construed as a good decision rather than a bad one? I honestly don't know, but also don't feel inclined to necessarily believe internet gossip on the topic. Tankathon has him at #6 on their Big Board, and I think they tend to have a good eye for talent on that site.
    The order is wrong. He won the state chip as a junior, THEN walked away from a magnet program. He’s essentially played 13 games since the end of his junior year, due to walking away from two teams.

    TaT’s big board is strictly talent based. Their mock has him at 9, but with Sacto already having family problems with Bagley, his father attacking the team on Twitter, and them trying to flip him at the deadline, I have a hard time seeing them pick Jalen J.

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    It’s hard to pass up his Star potential when he gets some stability. And hopefully the Spurs can give him that as their Star player. And Spurs desperately need a Star player to build around. I really hope he’s available at 12th and the Spurs would give him a chance.
    What good is star potential if he walks away? THAT’S why we’re concerned about his history.

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    What good is star potential if he walks away? THAT’S why we’re concerned about his history.
    Especially when it comes to wanting players that might want to stick with one of the smallest markets in the league that smells like a rodeo just happened next door complete with the flies buzzing everywhere, lol.
    And watch out for the bats!

    But don't worry, HEB will put you on some funny commercials. That'll do the trick.

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    Man some of y’all have severe PTSD from Kawhi leaving lmao acting like every star will leave because we’re a small market

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    Man some of y’all have severe PTSD from Kawhi leaving lmao acting like every star will leave because we’re a small market
    Because it still hurts

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    Man some of y’all have severe PTSD from Kawhi leaving lmao acting like every star will leave because we’re a small market
    I'm continually surprised when purported fans of this team have no idea how the team operates or thinks.

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    Man some of y’all have severe PTSD from Kawhi leaving lmao acting like every star will leave because we’re a small market
    We’re talking about one particular prospect that has a history of walking out on teams. Concerns are warranted.

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    The case for Duarte is pretty clear. He's much more ready than others in the range, maybe even than some higher lottery picks. His age is a big mark against for many teams, and then the Spurs have a number of guards already.

    Most teams are fine developing young players with glaring flaws -- or, really to the point, who don't know how to play high-level basketball. The Spurs are in a marginal state where they have some good young players, none are cresting into All-Star range yet, there is great chemistry, but the ensemble is rather bad at certain things, namely playmaking and shooting. Meanwhile, there are already a few players who have taken multiple years to get even close to staying on the court in Walker and Samanic.

    Can the team take on another long-term prospect? In Duarte's category, this would be players like Bouknight and Moody, guys who I don't think are ready to play, and certainly not in Pop's system. Of course the Spurs can do this, and maybe will.

    But another project impacts the development of everyone else. Duarte has the court-vision, the savvy, not to mention the scoring ability of an older player... which he is. He has dribble-sidestep moves that are vital in today's NBA, he has slashing ability, he has pull-up ability, and he's a good and willing defender. He's as close to a ready-made player as... well, Derrick White was, and maybe even more polished.

    The question is really whether you'd use a draft pick, indeed a late lottery pick, on a player who is closer to a young free agent than to a pure prospect whose ass would be picking up splinters for a few years. Not saying Duarte will be a plug-in immediately, but he's far more likely to have that ability. As I've said before, if Chris Duarte is the player you'd want a draft pick to become in a few years, why not draft him when he's already a few years older and has those abilities?

    Meanwhile, it might mean pulling the plug on Walker, which I'm totally fine with. A change of scenery might do him good.

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    Furthermore, cultural fit is a massive concern for the Spurs right now. They need a player who doesn't mind staying in San Antonio, indeed will thrive there. Plus, someone who will fit in with the young core. As mentioned, team chemistry is a major plus right now. By most accounts, Duarte loved playing in Oregon, is a Spanish-speaker, is a well-rounded individual who just wants to play basketball. He has the makings of a great teammate. Again, once White was drafted, he quickly became the key player in the rotation -- the team suffered when he was out (and still does). With Duarte you have an analogue, a guy who does many of the same things, if in different ways, and has the polish that Dejounte Murray only started achieving this last year.

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    The playoffs are still going on. You can't start FA when teams are occupied elsewhere. The draft also shows what teams need once they're done.
    this year, I understand.....it is extenuating cir stance. Normally the Season ends around June 23

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    this year, I understand.....it is extenuating cir stance. Normally the Season ends around June 23
    Normally the draft is earlier, too. You can't start FA season when some of the FAs may still be playing. Tha just doesn't work.

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