The argument of “system” and “player” needs to come in here.
https://statsbywill.com/2021/02/23/t...-jumpers-2021/
Without a doubt Jaden leans into mid range jumpers more than most guards. It’s very much a staple of his game.
I would argue though, if you put him in a system where 3s are required, he’ll make the necessary adjustments.
He’s still developing his range and doing things at 18 years old that most of these prospects will only dream of doing at any stage of their career.
The guy has won at every level, in a variety of roles, always coming in at one of the youngest amongst his peers. Not sure why people should doubt him now. The kid is an absolute stud.
barttovik.com
It appears the default filter for the numbers I posted is for the full regular season without the tournament. The numbers in your website combines both. I could combine both and re-do everyone but it would have to be tomorrow. Not sure if that would be an even playing field though since some teams get knocked out of the tournament earlier than others. We will see tomorrow.
I know you added the numbers using the diagram in the link but something is off here.
under shooting, it says:
”0.740 PPP on 104 jumpshots in HC (37.0% eFG); currently has heavy preference to mid-range > 3”
which contradicts the numbers you have.
I am in bed already so I’ll have to check tomorrow what’s wrong here.
Sincere question: what exactly has Springer accomplished that “most prospects would only dream of doing”? These sound like hyperbolic statements…
Bouknight is intriguing. According to Givony, he measured well, posted an impressive performance in his pro day and looked like one of the best shooters at the combine and his combination of athleticism, shot creation and confidence give him a legit chance at being an offensive focal point and a non zero chance at becoming a star.
As alfahdlan said, he looks like what we hoped and wanted Walker IV would be.
I don't know how you got lost out of asking who people think (as opposed to want) the Spurs could draft, if the obvious are gone.
Jalen J and Giddey are pretty poor from the line, too.
Yeah, something is wonky. I read one scouting report earlier today that said Springer needs to "trust his jump shot more," and I thought, that's odd-- his rep is that he's an old school mid range guy. I've been looking at more tape and he does get to the paint quite a bit, but those numbers still seem a little skewed to me.
People in this thread have talked about literally a dozen players or more and you only came up with three. If youw ant to know what other options are, it's not a tremendous secret.
Sure thing. From his Wiki page - reputable links at the bottom of the bio.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaden_Springer
A sample of some of his accomplishments:
Prep honors:In his first two years of high school, he played for Rocky River High School in Mint Hill, North Carolina, being drawn by head basketball coach Jermaine Walker despite academic and disciplinary concerns about the school.[2] In his freshman season, Springer averaged 21.8 points, 9.4 rebounds and five assists per game and led his team to its first state tournament appearance.[3] As a sop re, he averaged 24.7 points, 10.2 rebounds, 2.4 steals and 2.4 blocks per game, helping Rocky River reach the Class 4A state semifinals.[4] He was named Southwestern 4A Player of the Year.[5] Entering his junior and senior seasons, Springer transferred to IMG Academy in Bradenton, Florida.[6] He joined one of the best teams in the country and became teammates with top recruits Armando Bacot, Josh Green and Jeremiah Robinson-Earl.[7] As a junior, Springer averaged 15.6 points, four rebounds and four assists, helping his team win GEICO High School Nationals.[8] He scored 26 points in a 74–73 semifinal win over Montverde Academy.[9] In his senior season, Springer averaged 17.4 points, 5.5 rebounds and 5.1 assists per game for IMG. He played through an ankle injury throughout the season and was in turn sidelined from some games.[10][11] Springer was selected to play in the McDonald's All-American Game, which was canceled due to the COVID-19 pandemic.[12]
- 2017 MaxPreps Freshman All-American second team.
- 2017 Charlotte Observer All-Mecklenburg Team.
- 2017 All-Southwestern 4A Conference.
- 2017 Runna Report Freshman of the Year.
- 2017 UABasketball Elite 24 Rising Freshman Game MVP.
- 2016 Lighthouse Christian School (Tenn.) Most Outstanding Player.
* 2018 Pangos All American Camp Top 30 Cream of The Crop Game - Named Top 5 of Camp by nbadraft.net
* 2020 McDonalds All American (Game cancelled due to Covid)
* 2021 SEC All-Freshman Team
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I think it's right to keep an eye on Springer. There's something about Rick Barnes recruits -- he's extremely limited as a coach, but he finds good players -- but ultimately I don't think the Spurs will go for a pure guard, they'll have to pull a wing or center.
I'm still liking Sengun even though watching him more makes him look smaller and smaller. He was that giraffe like neck that gives him like an extra inch, because his shoulder height isn't so tall.
But I even love it when I see stuff like this play (this thread has been going on so long maybe this exact play has been talked about and that's why I noticed it on the rewatch, so credit to whoever posted this earlier):
At about the 28:21 mark in the video is him helping on the drive, the driver kicks, and Sengun does the basic and correct thing to immediately find a guy, in this case it was his guy, and box out and rebound. No standing around, no watching, no pointing, no shoe wiping, he just does the fundamental thing.
A simple little play that might seem like no big deal, he's a big after all and boxing out is supposed to be his job. But there's been too many times when Spurs players might contest or help but then decide that their job is done and they don't have to box out anyone or rebound. The year before they basically lost a home game to Phoenix after Forbes refused to box anyone out and there was a simple wide open offensive rebound and putback, because Forbes decided he was done. I know he's not a big but it's a team game and everyone needs play along.
But defense doesn't stop until the possession changes. The little things like hustling to box out matter a lot to me.
Sengun remains very intriguing. It may depend on how he projects as a stretch 4. His post footwork is amazing for his age, but it's like being an exceptional biplane fighter in an age of jet planes. Can he be a reliable 3-point shooter? His form looks good. I can see a terrific roller, but can he set hard picks? He seems to be a strong rebounder and his athletic limitations may not be terrible on defense -- positioning is key, and a guy like Jared Dudley had a long career despite being much slower. He's a very smart player, and young, so the question is how he develops. Can we see him pairing with Poeltl, for example?
Ultimately, I don't see the Spurs in the market for a big man at all. Jakob is both inexpensive and a good defensive center. Does he leave some things on the table? Yes, sure. It'd be great if he could shoot. I'm very bullish on Eubanks as a backup center. Sure, he's limited, but he's a hardass, plays super ing hard, and also is still improving. I definitely don't see Kai Jones as an option, and the draft is pretty weak on bigs in general. There are some good options early in the second round. But then there's Sengun, who is so different and remains intriguing.
Good points. I suppose it depends who is still available, but I’m ok with picking Sengun. I trust his 3 point shot to develop. His defense in space is my biggest concern.
Springer is still my preferred pick in that he is good on offense and defense, has good character, a history of winning, is a good shooter, and shouldn’t ever be a liability, while has plenty of upside. Everyone else has potential fatal flaws. (Moody being the possible exception). He’s already a bruising power guard while being the youngest American in the draft.
The problem is we have Lonnie. I like Lonnie and want to give him another year, but I’m open to trading.
I don't even think Sengun is that slow and think his defensive woes are overblown, but then I see him as a stretch four instead of a center. I think he'll be better than Jokic guarding in space, for example, but not down low. One of his appeals beyond his basketball smarts is his motor. The guy moves and hustles. That, plus his sensibility, will make up for a lot. Again, it's down low defense that may be an issue (Embiid, Jokic).
That’s a promising, positive prognostication. I like it. I see him as having to be a stretch 4 ultimately as well. But if your biggest concern is post defense, I think he is super strong but doesn’t have the length. But Embiid and Jokic are MVP talents so it’s hard for anyone to guard them.
I have no problem picking Sengun. He has advanced footwork for his age, very high bball IQ, Doncic-like as far as maturity in his game. Yes he could be overmatched in the NBA because he likes to play big man game, back against the basket. But he’s 18, great strokes and has high motor. I’m sure he can see where he needs to improve his game in the modern NBA. He can even play a Diaw because he’s such a good passer and has great vision how plays develop. Do I think he has star potential? I think he could be a very very good 2nd tier, but not necessarily the 1st option, a Gallinari, which wouldn’t be bad for a 12th pick.
guess we won't be seeing giddey in the olympics as he was omitted from the final 12 man roster.
Sengun went from old school center to stretch 4 to big wing. Sengun is becoming another player in this board.
Hysteria. Find one person who called him a big wing. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
that's out of context. I mean his star potential is a Gallinari, not a Jokic.
Diaw and Gallinari are both 4s.
Does your brain not work? I'm well aware of the players. I'm not asking for more names or information in general, I'm specifically asking who people think the Spurs could select outside of typical candidates. There's nothing complicated about this.
Yes he should be playing more a 4 or a small ball 5. I don't have problem with Sengun, I think he's a very safe pick, likewise Wagner or Duarte. I really think Spurs would pick one of them. I would be happier with Duarte.
But again my personal preference is Jalen Johnson, as mentioned because of his high Star potential. Boom or bust for me at this point.
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