Official San Antonio Spurs 2021 Free Agency Discussion Thread

[buttsR4rebounding]

John Collins is younger than Chris Duarte-- that's kind of incredible. Not a qualitative assessment at all, just an observation. Collins has gotten paid pretty well for four years already, and is about to get a gigantic pay raise, and Duarte is looking for his first rookie scale paycheck.

Duarte has a dumb agent. He did not have to submit for the draft. He is over the draft age. He could have just become a free agent. He could likely get more than he will as a 1st round pick as I am certain multiple teams would bid for his services. I really don't know what his agent is thinking.

[objective]

Duarte has a dumb agent. He did not have to submit for the draft. He is over the draft age. He could have just become a free agent. He could likely get more than he will as a 1st round pick as I am certain multiple teams would bid for his services. I really don't know what his agent is thinking.

I don't know if it would be as easy as that normally

But

I was listening to a draft podcast, maybe Chad Ford's, and it was said that this year seniors had to officially declare for the draft. The reason is that because of COVID-19 the NCAA gave everyone an extra year of eligibility, and the result was that in order to be draft eligible, any senior had to officially declare themselves for the draft and officially give up NCAA status. So for this draft there were about 120 seniors who declared whereas normally they didn't need to

[NASpurs]

[exstatic]

Not a shock. I believe it was stated that no one was untradeable, so this isn’t out of the realm. Not sure how much I value the opinion of ahnfiredigital…

I still think Lonnie is much more likely to be traded. Bothe White and DJ will be in their extensions next season, but Lonnie will still be cheap, and other teams may not see his Swiss cheese defense as much of a road block.

[Dejounte]

Believe when I see it. Sounds like the Ben Simmons rumor from Bruce Bowen…. Turned out to be a blatant lie.

[NASpurs]

Not a shock. I believe it was stated that no one was untradeable, so this isn’t out of the realm. Not sure how much I value the opinion of ahnfiredigital…

I still think Lonnie is much more likely to be traded. Bothe White and DJ will be in their extensions next season, but Lonnie will still be cheap, and other teams may not see his Swiss cheese defense as much of a road block.

They’re sourcing the Athletic

[KobesAchilles]

You don’t know hard times brother. Hard times is when your GM picks up a $24 million dollar option only to waive that very player 4 months later. Hard times is watching your starting center not be able to post up Ja Morant, or any other point guard, 3 feet from the basket, shoot 18% from the foul line and the complain that he is underpaid. Hard times is watching your starting point guard, shooting guard, and small forward pass the ball away like they were passing around a Kardashian every time they had a wide open 3. Hard times is having to watch your hall of fame badass of a coach suck up and kiss ass to possibly the worst “star player” he has ever coached bc otherwise he will have to drive to Jack in the Box at 3:00 in the morning, order the Munchy meal and use it to entice Demar to come back home. And finally, hard times is watching Bryn Forbes playing in the ing finals while our sorry ass team can’t even make the playoffs. And now we want to trade Derrick White??? THAT’S HARD TIMES BROTHER

[CGD]

It's clear for some time that one has to go. They are both on great contracts too.

[CGD]

Interesting. Would think that adding in the pick wouldn’t be necessary. Doubt philly would get a better offer than DDR/Murray/Walker.

Building around a core of Collins and Simmons (both 24 i think) would be a good reboot over next 3 years. Hopefully 2 of Vassell, Keldon, or White can develop consistent outside shooting to help space the floor, and keep Peortl in the starting line up. Collins aside, that defensive unit would be sick.

[exstatic]

If they trade one or both of White and DJ, I think they’ll have difficulty getting future players to sign team friendly extensions.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

John Collins does worth the max! The questions is who we give up in a sign and trade deal. I can only give up Walker plus one future 1st rounder. But other teams are likely willing to offer more if we go thru sign & trade. Does John Collins have a say under this situation? Can he just tell Atlanta that "I want to go to Spurs. Please don't match"?

[exstatic]

John Collins does worth the max! The questions is who we give up in a sign and trade deal. I can only give up Walker plus one future 1st rounder. But other teams are likely willing to offer more if we go thru sign & trade. Does John Collins have a say under this situation? Can he just tell Atlanta that "I want to go to Spurs. Please don't match"?

The thing is, almost every other team will have to send out considerable salary to match Collins prospective salary coming in. If Atlanta wanted that much salary on their books, they’d just keep Collins. I don’t want to give up a pick, but I’d send out one or both of Lonnie and Luka, who’d be trapped behind Collins, and play as little, or less than he does now.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

The thing is, almost every other team will have to send out considerable salary to match Collins prospective salary coming in. If Atlanta wanted that much salary on their books, they’d just keep Collins. I don’t want to give up a pick, but I’d send out one or both of Lonnie and Luka, who’d be trapped behind Collins, and play as little, or less than he does now.

Thank you for the great info brother! Then let's have John Collin Coming party!

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Actually just a pipe dream for us to get John Collins! Hawks would be stupid not to match our offer. They can save money by letting go other guys, not the 2nd most important player in your team.

[dbestpro]

Simple reason why Murray and White might get traded over Walker. They havve greater trade value. For a team spinning its wheels like the Spurs you need to trade value to get value. We have an excess of guards so the best guards need to be made available.

[Chinook]

Collins would be the best player on the team without much effort. He's obviously worth the max. I get that Spurs fans aren't used to having a bunch of cap space, but you don't bargain hunt with cap space. There's no logic in comparing who's the "better deal" between Collins and Lauri or anyone else. There's no functional difference between paying Collins $30M and paying those guys whatever. The Spurs will still be able to do whatever they are going to want to do anyway. What matters is who's better and if Collins is better, then he needs to be the target. It's even some reluctant thing either. He's a great fit and can give the team some semblance of a foundation to build around. It doesn't matter if he looks like a championship piece or whatever mess folks have been trying to throw out there. You need to have a developmental framework first before you can even get a supporting cast together, and Collins can do that way better than the guards on the team can now. The offense would be better when guys are able to play off a good scorer who doesn't need to take the ball from them. The defense will be better when they aren't trying out three-PG, four-small units. If the time comes when Collins is holding the team back, then like with Toronto with DeRozan they can make a move then. Until then, Collins would be the best use of salary space on the team outside of some rookie contracts.

[Dejounte]

Boy, so many folks are going to be disappointed on here.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Collins would be the best player on the team without much effort. He's obviously worth the max. I get that Spurs fans aren't used to having a bunch of cap space, but you don't bargain hunt with cap space. There's no logic in comparing who's the "better deal" between Collins and Lauri or anyone else. There's no functional difference between paying Collins $30M and paying those guys whatever. The Spurs will still be able to do whatever they are going to want to do anyway. What matters is who's better and if Collins is better, then he needs to be the target. It's even some reluctant thing either. He's a great fit and can give the team some semblance of a foundation to build around. It doesn't matter if he looks like a championship piece or whatever mess folks have been trying to throw out there. You need to have a developmental framework first before you can even get a supporting cast together, and Collins can do that way better than the guards on the team can now. The offense would be better when guys are able to play off a good scorer who doesn't need to take the ball from them. The defense will be better when they aren't trying out three-PG, four-small units. If the time comes when Collins is holding the team back, then like with Toronto with DeRozan they can make a move then. Until then, Collins would be the best use of salary space on the team outside of some rookie contracts.

This!

How many guys are there in the league who can do all things John Collin does? 3 point shooting, rebound, run and dunk; cut and dunk; defend both 4 and 5. But that's why Hawks will match our offer. That's why our Front Office may not even make the offer so they can sign other free agents who are available.

[lmbebo]

I guess if the right pieces are there ... no one should untouchable with this team.

But feels like we keep reading articles like this and nothing happens.

[LeBowen]

Boy, so many folks are going to be disappointed on here.

Patty will sign a new 4 year deal.

We like what we have.

[Leetonidas]

Boy, so many folks are going to be disappointed on here.

The life of a post-Duncan spurs fan tbh

[Dejounte]

Patty will sign a new 4 year deal.

We like what we have.

Woj, 12:01: The San Antonio Spurs have signed DeMar DeRozan to a 5-year $150 million deal.

[exstatic]

Actually just a pipe dream for us to get John Collins! Hawks would be stupid not to match our offer. They can save money by letting go other guys, not the 2nd most important player in your team.

The owner has come out since the playoffs, and said he doesn’t think they can keep the team together. They can get rid of a BUNCH of other players,and then need to go buy some in FA to replace them. Or, they can let one relatively inexpensive player walk when he’s no longer inexpensive. Or, they could take some redundant parts from us who are still cheap, Lonnie and/or Luka, and get some you assets for Collins.

[Chinook]

I just think it's paramount that the Spurs trade Murray if they want to move toward a clean roster with a good developmental framework. Then they can sign a backup PG or draft one to compete with Jones. Let's assume they trade Murray to New York for 21 and use that pick on Jared Butler. Then they could use 12 on Kispert and some random PF with 41. Bring back Dieng and you get.

White, Butler, Jones
Vassell, Walker, Weatherspoon
Johnson, Kispert, KBD
Collins, Samanic, PF at 41
Poeltl, Dieng, Eubanks,

And if I did my numbers correctly, that's enough space to look at another big contract.

[Mr. Body]

I just think it's paramount that the Spurs trade Murray if they want to move toward a clean roster with a good developmental framework. Then they can sign a backup PG or draft one to compete with Jones. Let's assume they trade Murray to New York for 21 and use that pick on Jared Butler. Then they could use 12 on Kispert and some random PF with 41. Bring back Dieng and you get.

White, Butler, Jones
Vassell, Walker, Weatherspoon
Johnson, Kispert, KBD
Collins, Samanic, PF at 41
Poeltl, Dieng, Eubanks,

And if I did my numbers correctly, that's enough space to look at another big contract.

Jimminy Cricket he's worth much more than a 21st draft pick.