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    considering the 2 planes that failed to hit and the number of additional targets and means of attacks possible, how can you possibly calculate the chance of operational impact? the whole point of the criticism is that Bush took an extra 10 minutes to assess the threat and response, apparently to keep some 7 year olds calm, or find out what happened to my pet goat.
    You know this argument works against you, as well. If you say I can't claim to possibly know the operational impact, then no one can say that, rendering the argument pointless.

    And your comment of "apparently to keep some 7 year olds calm, or find out what happened to my pet goat" is pretty misleading, obviously. No one can claim to know the reasons for his delay. Was he scared? Dumbfounded? Shocked? Nervous? etc etc. I'm sure many emotions played a part in his actions. (For the seventh time or so), people react non-optimally at times in emergency situations. People are human.

    not all mistakes are created equal. If I make a mistake while speaking arabic, its easily understandable because I've never studied, dont do it professionally and have in fact never done it in my life. nobody's life/career/well being/hapiness is at stake when I mispronounce/mispell a salaam alai kum. If the secret service makes a mistake with security protocol, its quite different because that is what they are trained, hired and paid to do.
    Agreed. Chumpdumper points out the difference in the reactions between the teams with Cheney and Bush. Now, I don't know if that's because one team was slow and the other wasn't, or if they had a feeling that the White House was much more likely to be a target than a school.

    If a president makes a mistake that potentially exposes his nation to attacks / re s his ability to manage the aftermath of a crisis, it is serious because that is one of his primary responsibilities; even if he has never been in such a situation in his life, the job he voluntarily campaigned for requires him to be ready for such contingencies.
    Every President who's ever been President has, at times, made mistakes that affect the nation. The job requires near super-human dedication, motivation, etc etc. Bush's was much more visible than most.

    Its one thing to criticize Bush's actual appraisal of the threat or his strategy to defuse it- considering the cir stances there are a number of difficulties in performing that task well, much less flawlessly- but its another thing entirely to excuse him for delaying that task, even if for 10 minutes. In times of uncertainty, with millions of lives, the economy, the well-being of your nation, , "the fate of the free world" (as he himself liked to say) at stake, 10 minutes is an eternity.

    Again, if you get a call telling you your wife is in unspecified danger while you are playing with your kids, do you trust the person who called you to handle it while you finish playing with your kids so as to not alarm them, or do you leave your kids with someone you trust and go help your wife?
    You know, everyone's doing this "If your wife was hurt" analogy... but that's really completely different. That's one person, with a limited amount of actions available. And even then, I bet there are some people who would cry in grief first, or go numb, not want to face the problem, etc etc.

    It's hard to come up with a good analogy, because it's hard to come up with a job that has as much oversight and power as the President of the US.

    No one is saying Bush had to spazz out and kick the children out of the way. He just had to say excuse me and go take care of presidential business and leave the storytelling to someone else. I dont see how anyone can use the "it wasn't a big deal / it was a difficult situation to react to" excuse for this.
    And throughout, I've said that would've been the "correct" response. However, I don't see how you can't understand the "It didn't affect us/it was a difficult situation" excuse.

    Did it have a big impact?

    Wasn't it a difficult situation?

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    And yet you have, Lng.
    Point out where I said it wasn't a mistake. I just said I don't consider it that big of a mistake.

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    Agreed. Chumpdumper points out the difference in the reactions between the teams with Cheney and Bush. Now, I don't know if that's because one team was slow and the other wasn't, or if they had a feeling that the White House was much more likely to be a target than a school.
    The difference as far as I can tell was Bush. He decided to sit there showing a note to Andrew Card not to say anything, finish listening to the reading, compliment the kids, have photos taken, take a question, talk about his education policy, wait until all the reporters clear the room to go next door to meet with his staff, make a statement at a time and location that was on the itinerary, then leave more or less on schedule to the next obviously logical location.

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    Point out where I said it wasn't a mistake. I just said I don't consider it that big of a mistake.
    Fair enough good sir.

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    LOL @ the kids thinking they're so important that the President of the United States should personally soothe them in the middle of a national emergency.

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    lol darrin starting a thread about "story time".

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    LOL @ the kids thinking they're so important that the President of the United States should personally soothe them in the middle of a national emergency.
    bumster, you posted that 2 years + a month before they was selling your .

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    Release all the ...then we can settle.

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    back then they called us traitors and terrorist sympathizers


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    bumster, you posted that 2 years + a month before they was selling your .
    You have no room after blowing that lead in November 2020.

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    You have no room after blowing that lead in November 2020.
    Dude, they'd strung your restraining ropes, the charter was warming up. Your people were congregating out at SAX. I was ready to do the Dutch. They started selling your .

    White woman from town stole your cookie.

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    They started selling your .


    As seen on Nigerian TV in December...

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    Dude, they'd strung your restraining ropes, the charter was warming up. Your people were congregating out at SAX. I was ready to do the Dutch. They started selling your .

    White woman from town stole your cookie.
    Your boy claimed victory on November 4th 2020, only for the states of Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada, and Pennsylvania to tell him nuh uh fattie, Biden has more votes here. You guys even tried to rig it in your favor with Dejoy's shenanigans but still blew it.

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    As seen on Nigerian TV in December...
    He's still President forever, just like the 44 before him.

    And that is what will gall you to the grave, El.

    He got ya's.

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    Your boy claimed victory on November 4th 2020, only for the states of Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada, and Pennsylvania to tell him nuh uh fattie, Biden has more votes here. You guys even tried to rig it in your favor with Dejoy's shenanigans but still blew it.
    Oh, yeah, we opened our bowels and fouled the entire election cycle.

    & we're still tin' on it. And will forever more.

    Just try and stop me, bum. I want to see you try.

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    never forget 9/11 turned us into the biggest pussies in the world

    equating turbans with terrorism, for example


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    never forget 9/11 turned us into the biggest pussies in the world

    equating turbans with terrorism, for example

    Rag-headed s.

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    Rudy jealous now


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    Rudy jealous now

    ...what a got

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