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    The Voting Rights Act and civil rights laws passed in the mid 1960s weren't magic wands that dispelled racism, they just provided remedies for racially motivated oppression and violence.




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    Grateful to have a President that can provide a first hand account of these historical events, tbh... IIRC, Old Joe was 15 when this stuff went down...

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    Grateful to have a President that can provide a first hand account of these historical events, tbh... IIRC, Old Joe was 15 when this stuff went down...
    "This was not a riot, it was a massacre."

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    I saw a do entary on the Tulsa massacre and one of the historian's said the black business owners and residents were kicking the racist whites ass up until the racist mayor called in the racist national guard for help.



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    The ones who really fought back were burned alive at the expo center in Tulsa. They made all of the blacks live in tents for over a year."​

    On the Tulsa Race Riots, the story of Peg Leg Taylor who caught so many white bodies...that he had to load them in wagons and dump them in the river to avoid the post riot blow back on the POW's.

    "Arriving at the courthouse, this group of armed blacks, numbering about seventy-five, was greeted by a white mob numbering in the thousands. The level of tension and hysteria was rapidly rising. Representatives of the black group were allowed to enter the fortified courthouse where Sheriff McCollough assured them no lynching would take place. Apparently assured by the Sheriff’s defensive preparations they left the building and were preparing to go back to Greenwood when the spark was lit.

    According to the version heard by Robert Fairchild, the white approached a tall black veteran who was carrying an Army issue .45-caliber and said

    , what are you doing with that pistol?”

    “I’m going to use it if I need to,” came the reply.

    “No, you will give it to me.”

    The white man attempted to disarm the veteran and a shot was fired. Sheriff McCullough stated from that moment “the race war was on and I was powerless to stop it.” (7)

    A prolonged gun fight broke out as the blacks withdrew toward Greenwood and Archer. Block by block the fighting continued into the wee hours of the morning. At one point the battle raged around the train station, which was held as a fortress by black defenders for an extended period of time. With the bodies of white attackers scattered through the streets, the blacks retreated into Greenwood. This overnight fighting is usually ignored or skimmed over in the stories of the Tulsa “riot.” Far from being helpless victims, Tulsa’s black population fought with brutal efficiency against the white invaders. It is not hard to imagine this defense was pre-planned, or at least theorized before the shots began firing. Regarding the “helpless victim,” mythology,

    W.D. Williams has disputed this assumption, citing as evidence the large number of whites which he saw get shot by black snipers as they attempted to invade “Deep Greenwood.” The Oklahoma City ‘Black Dispatch’ of 10 June, 1921, reported it had received a letter from “a prominent Negro in the city of Tulsa” who stated that “from what he could learn on the ground, about one-hundred were killed, equally divided between the two races.” (8)

    Scattered fighting occurred throughout the night as thousands of white men gathered at several points in the city. They exchanged and distributed ammunition among themselves and the word was passed on: they would attack at dawn. Some were too excited to wait and five men in an automobile tried spur the crowd to action in early morning darkness.

    When the crowd did not budge the men tore off alone toward Deep Greenwood. A few hours later, when the attack finally came, their five bodies were found slumped inside their car, rifles still pointed out the windows, the bullet-riddled carcass of the Franklin smoking in the middle of Archer street. (9)

    A large number of casualities among the white invaders is very much in line with what the ABB Tulsa post Commander wrote in “The Crusader”: the majority of black deaths were noncombatants, people who burned to death in their houses or the unarmed who were shot by the white mob. On the “front,” however (which is approximated by the train tracks at Greenwood and Archer), it was another dynamic entirely. The Commander wrote:

    The defense of Greenwood may be overlooked in the history books, but it has entered black folklore. The story is told how “Peg-Leg” Taylor, another veteran of World War I, had spent the afternoon shoplifting ammunition from downtown hardware stores. Armed with a .30-30 rifle and a shotgun he had assumed tactical positions throughout the night -fighting, keeping the white combatants at bay while stores were looted for arms and ammunition by his comrades. As dawn broke and a whistle sounded, a mass of white attackers charged across the tracks into Greenwood. While the ABB snipers shot it out with the white mob around the church, Taylor held a defensive position on a hill, six blocks from First Street on the north side. “He shot round after round of bullets for six hours. He did so much damage that the whites figured the Negroes had reinforcements.” The story of Taylor is still well-known in north Tulsa, and completely forgotten in the rest of the city."

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    I saw a do entary on the Tulsa massacre and one of the historian's said the black business owners and residents were kicking the racist whites ass up until the racist mayor called in the racist national guard for help.



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    The ones who really fought back were burned alive at the expo center in Tulsa. They made all of the blacks live in tents for over a year."​

    On the Tulsa Race Riots, the story of Peg Leg Taylor who caught so many white bodies...that he had to load them in wagons and dump them in the river to avoid the post riot blow back on the POW's.

    "Arriving at the courthouse, this group of armed blacks, numbering about seventy-five, was greeted by a white mob numbering in the thousands. The level of tension and hysteria was rapidly rising. Representatives of the black group were allowed to enter the fortified courthouse where Sheriff McCollough assured them no lynching would take place. Apparently assured by the Sheriff’s defensive preparations they left the building and were preparing to go back to Greenwood when the spark was lit.

    According to the version heard by Robert Fairchild, the white approached a tall black veteran who was carrying an Army issue .45-caliber and said

    , what are you doing with that pistol?”

    “I’m going to use it if I need to,” came the reply.

    “No, you will give it to me.”

    The white man attempted to disarm the veteran and a shot was fired. Sheriff McCullough stated from that moment “the race war was on and I was powerless to stop it.” (7)

    A prolonged gun fight broke out as the blacks withdrew toward Greenwood and Archer. Block by block the fighting continued into the wee hours of the morning. At one point the battle raged around the train station, which was held as a fortress by black defenders for an extended period of time. With the bodies of white attackers scattered through the streets, the blacks retreated into Greenwood. This overnight fighting is usually ignored or skimmed over in the stories of the Tulsa “riot.” Far from being helpless victims, Tulsa’s black population fought with brutal efficiency against the white invaders. It is not hard to imagine this defense was pre-planned, or at least theorized before the shots began firing. Regarding the “helpless victim,” mythology,

    W.D. Williams has disputed this assumption, citing as evidence the large number of whites which he saw get shot by black snipers as they attempted to invade “Deep Greenwood.” The Oklahoma City ‘Black Dispatch’ of 10 June, 1921, reported it had received a letter from “a prominent Negro in the city of Tulsa” who stated that “from what he could learn on the ground, about one-hundred were killed, equally divided between the two races.” (8)

    Scattered fighting occurred throughout the night as thousands of white men gathered at several points in the city. They exchanged and distributed ammunition among themselves and the word was passed on: they would attack at dawn. Some were too excited to wait and five men in an automobile tried spur the crowd to action in early morning darkness.

    When the crowd did not budge the men tore off alone toward Deep Greenwood. A few hours later, when the attack finally came, their five bodies were found slumped inside their car, rifles still pointed out the windows, the bullet-riddled carcass of the Franklin smoking in the middle of Archer street. (9)

    A large number of casualities among the white invaders is very much in line with what the ABB Tulsa post Commander wrote in “The Crusader”: the majority of black deaths were noncombatants, people who burned to death in their houses or the unarmed who were shot by the white mob. On the “front,” however (which is approximated by the train tracks at Greenwood and Archer), it was another dynamic entirely. The Commander wrote:

    The defense of Greenwood may be overlooked in the history books, but it has entered black folklore. The story is told how “Peg-Leg” Taylor, another veteran of World War I, had spent the afternoon shoplifting ammunition from downtown hardware stores. Armed with a .30-30 rifle and a shotgun he had assumed tactical positions throughout the night -fighting, keeping the white combatants at bay while stores were looted for arms and ammunition by his comrades. As dawn broke and a whistle sounded, a mass of white attackers charged across the tracks into Greenwood. While the ABB snipers shot it out with the white mob around the church, Taylor held a defensive position on a hill, six blocks from First Street on the north side. “He shot round after round of bullets for six hours. He did so much damage that the whites figured the Negroes had reinforcements.” The story of Taylor is still well-known in north Tulsa, and completely forgotten in the rest of the city."

    Shows what one properly trained individual with tactical advantage can accomplish.

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    Are they or are they the scapegoats for the propaganda machine perpetrated by the commie dems? You're so damn brainwashed you actually believe that stupid lie that's been fed to you by the establishment that the parties switch decades ago.
    is it a complete coincidence that Alabama had gone democrat in every presidential election from 1876 through 1956, but has gone republican all but once since 1960?

    or that Mississippi had also gone democrat in every presidential election from 1876 through 1960 (except 1948 when they voted for Democrat Strom Thurmond who later switched party to republican after the civil rights act passed in 1964), but has gone republican in every election since 1960?

    or that Louisiana had also gone democrat in every presidential election but two from 1880 through 1960, and has been a republican stronghold since?

    or that Georgia had gone democrat in literally every presidential election from 1876 through 1960, and has been a republican stronghold since (until Old Joe)?

    those just coincidences? you can look at the strong republican states today (tennessee, kentucky, texas, oklahoma, south carolina, arkansas, missouri) and see this same trend. you think thats all just a random change of these democrat strongholds all becoming republican in the time leading up to the civil rights movement?

    i predict no substantive response, a jab at me personally, and 50/50 of whether or not death will be wished on me
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    i predict no substantive response, a jab at me personally, and 50/50 of whether or not death will be wished on me
    Why don't you be a man bro and stop acting like a chick already? Hiding text in grey and in a small font is for pussies but totally expected coming from you.

    As for your examples... IDC and you're not going to convince me that the libs are all of a sudden the party of diversity just because they say so while propping up a corpse into the WH who gave the eulogy for a klansman who was also the mentor to HRC. your lame ass racist party and those you put in office to destroy our country and lie to losers like yourself!

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    Why don't you be a man bro and stop acting like a chick already? Hiding text in grey and in a small font is for pussies but totally expected coming from you.

    As for your examples... IDC and you're not going to convince me that the libs are all of a sudden the party of diversity just because they say so while propping up a corpse into the WH who gave the eulogy for a klansman who was also the mentor to HRC. your lame ass racist party and those you put in office to destroy our country and lie to losers like yourself!
    exactly like i predicted.

    refuse to engage with the numerous examples i gave and instead just try to take personal jabs

    you're uncomfortable with the facts, but unfortunately, facts dont care about your feelings

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    or that Georgia had gone democrat in literally every presidential election from 1876 through 1960, and has been a republican stronghold since (until Old Joe)?

    those just coincidences? you can look at the strong republican states today (tennessee, kentucky, texas, oklahoma, south carolina, arkansas, missouri) and see this same trend. you think thats all just a random change of these democrat strongholds all becoming republican in the time leading up to the civil rights movement?

    i predict no substantive response, a jab at me personally, and 50/50 of whether or not death will be wished on me
    You probably knew this already, but Texas was so buttsore about the Civil Warand activist GOP government in the 19th century that it did not elect a Republican (since the Reconstruction) to any statewide office until Bill Clements in 1980.

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    facts dont care about your feelings

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    July 3, 1917

    “The East St. Louis affair, as I saw it, was a man hunt, conducted on a sporting basis, though with anything but the fair play which is the principle of sport,” Hurd wrote. “There was a horribly cool deliberateness and a spirit of fun about it. ‘Get a n*****’ was the slogan, and it was varied by the recurrent cry, ‘Get another!’”
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smith...ise-180963885/

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    Between July 2-5, 1917, at least 39, and some estimates indicate up to 200, African American men, women, and children were shot, hanged, beaten to death, or burned alive after being driven into burning buildings. The riots caused more than $400,000 in property damage and prompted 6,000 African American residents—more than half of East St. Louis’s African American population—to flee the city.
    https://calendar.eji.org/racial-injustice/jul/03

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    102 years ago US soldiers and white vigilantes killed over 200 people in Elaine, Arkansas, merely for organizing for better pay and returning fire when fired upon.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...ans-180969863/

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    102 years ago US soldiers and white vigilantes killed over 200 people in Elaine, Arkansas, merely for organizing for better pay and returning fire when fired upon.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...ans-180969863/
    Won't click the link, but this is the one massacre that started because black share-croppers were trying to unionize and had a meeting planned and it turned into a local genocide?

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    Won't click the link, but this is the one massacre that started because black share-croppers were trying to unionize and had a meeting planned and it turned into a local genocide?
    yeah

    why won't you click a Smithsonian link?

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    yeah

    why won't you click a Smithsonian link?
    Unsure if paywall. Don't care enough to be bothered with finding out.

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    Unsure if paywall. Don't care enough to be bothered with finding out.
    fair

    it isn't paywalled, fwiw

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    new DOJ doc drops

    apparently it wasn't random mob violence, it was somewhat coordinated by local officials and LE

    Walter White investigated 41 lynchings before he went on to be the top NAACP guy



    The DoJ’s findings acknowledged the role of Tulsa law enforcement in the massacre, including that of Tulsa police who “deputized hundreds of white residents, many of whom – immediately before being awarded a badge – had been drinking and agitating for [a lynching]”. According to the report, more than 500 men were deputized in less than 30 minutes.

    The report includes reference to Walter White, a Black civil rights advocate who could pass for white. He wrote that he only had to provide his name, age and address to be appointed as a special duty. Following his appointment, White reported that he was told he “could now ‘go out and shoot any [N-word] you see and the law’ll be behind you’”. The review includes multiple acknowledgments of the extensive role of law enforcement and city officials encouraging white Tulsans to murder their Black neighbors.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...cre-report-doj

    https://www.justice.gov/crt/media/1383756/dl

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