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    Cities, counties and states have wide la ude to declare public health emergencies, also to issue and enforce any related regulations.

    Apples and oranges.

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    You're one of those love the rain not the wet types. Just because the taxpayers don't fund it doesn't mean it's not happening. You're welcome to pay for someone's childcare.. I mean you're ok with giving 50% of your income to the feds as long as they do it, right? You must be since you're using countries as examples who tax the living out of people. Norway's lowest income tax rate is 38.2% I'd bet you don't pay anything near that. Of course nanny governments act as nannies.

    25% sales tax
    we're talking about scales here

    if i take the position that the government should provide healthcare for its population, and your counterpoint is "you are free to pay for your neighbor's health insurance lol" then you are missing the boat

    nobody wants to pay taxes just for the sake of paying taxes. if republicans wanted to raise taxes to support a war or border wall, i'd say that. if somebody wanted to raise taxes to provide healthcare or child care, i'd be all aboard that. i'd also hope that the taxation is done progressively

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    we're talking about scales here

    if i take the position that the government should provide healthcare for its population, and your counterpoint is "you are free to pay for your neighbor's health insurance lol" then you are missing the boat

    nobody wants to pay taxes just for the sake of paying taxes. if republicans wanted to raise taxes to support a war or border wall, i'd say that. if somebody wanted to raise taxes to provide healthcare or child care, i'd be all aboard that. i'd also hope that the taxation is done progressively
    Oh wow. DMC argues an extreme straw man that makes no sense to any reasonable person. He’ll:

    A) continue to argue until it devolves into semantics.

    B) tuck his tail and try to save face by making a milquetoast argument no reasonable person would argue with.

    C) abandon thread.

    A bit of a jerkoff session tbh.

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    we're talking about scales here

    if i take the position that the government should provide healthcare for its population, and your counterpoint is "you are free to pay for your neighbor's health insurance lol" then you are missing the boat

    nobody wants to pay taxes just for the sake of paying taxes. if republicans wanted to raise taxes to support a war or border wall, i'd say that. if somebody wanted to raise taxes to provide healthcare or child care, i'd be all aboard that. i'd also hope that the taxation is done progressively
    You have to be more picky with who gets the taxpayer funding, You cannot have porous borders, support undo ented immigrants financially and still have Norway level social programs. How many people flooded across Norway's borders last year?

    "Only three out of every 100 would-be refugees try to remain in Norway if their applications for asylum are rejected. A new survey carried out by the state police agency charged with enforcing immigration law indicates that it’s simply too difficult to live as an illegal alien in Norway."

    WH is really adept at comparing the US to countries that have completely different cir stances and governments no one here would want. I've seen Japan being touted as a great system, but most here have no ing clue what living there would be like. Norway's biggest influx of immigrants (not even illegal) was just around 80K in one year. The US sees that weekly.
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    Oh wow. DMC argues an extreme straw man that makes no sense to any reasonable person. He’ll:

    A) continue to argue until it devolves into semantics.

    B) tuck his tail and try to save face by making a milquetoast argument no reasonable person would argue with.

    C) abandon thread.

    A bit of a jerkoff session tbh.
    And you'll have nothing interesting to say, and will instead focus on me like always because you're a dullard and likely on the autism spectrum.

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    Oh wow. DMC argues an extreme straw man that makes no sense to any reasonable person. He’ll:

    A) continue to argue until it devolves into semantics.

    B) tuck his tail and try to save face by making a milquetoast argument no reasonable person would argue with.

    C) abandon thread.

    A bit of a jerkoff session tbh.
    tbh

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    And you'll have nothing interesting to say, and will instead focus on me like always because you're a dullard and likely on the autism spectrum.
    I actually think it’s super interesting to acknowledge the jerkoff session you have going on with left leaning members of ST.

    Let’s dive into why you’ll argue points you don’t agree with for the sake of arguing with anonymous men on the internet dmc. Let’s make this all about you.

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    Defeated by regulations and transparency
    Baggerød also noted that many would-be refugees who fail to qualify for asylum protection have put themselves in debt in order to get to Norway. “They have to earn money and it’s important for them to get some source of income that they can’t legally get here,” Baggerød said. They also risk being forcibly returned to their homelands by Norwegian authorities. That’s why many give up their asylum attempts in Norway and move on to a country where prospects for refuge and income are higher.

    Magne Løvø, who heads the police division that carries out forced deportations, confirmed that there are far fewer undo ented foreigners in Norway than previously estimated. Asked why so many leave voluntarily, he said he thinks it’s because “Norway must be one of the most transparent societies in Europe.” It’s also highly regulated, where residents’ addresses are registered with local authorities and banks can’t open accounts for people lacking official identification numbers.

    “That’s why police here have relatively good control over who lives where, compared to other European countries,” Løvø said.

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    I actually think it’s super interesting to acknowledge the jerkoff session you have going on with left leaning members of ST.

    Let’s dive into why you’ll argue points you don’t agree with for the sake of arguing with anonymous men on the internet dmc. Let’s make this all about you.
    Let's instead delve into why you're so enamored with me.

    1. You aren't an interesting person
    2. Your life doesn't impress you
    3. You hope to ride some coattails here for a few +1s
    4 You're a got

    I think 4 is the strongest case to present but I'm open to discuss the others, what say you Target worker?

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    So the argument for abortion is no one wants to take care of the babies?



    Yet no one wants to take care of the 10K immigrants under the border overpass yet I don't see anyone here calling for their deaths.

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    Let's instead delve into why you're so enamored with me.

    1. You aren't an interesting person
    2. Your life doesn't impress you
    3. You hope to ride some coattails here for a few +1s
    4 You're a got

    I think 4 is the strongest case to present but I'm open to discuss the others, what say you Target worker?
    Well that’s an embarrassing retort. We all have your shtick pegged. The only difference is some people actually take you seriously or just like dunking on your indefensible takes.

    You were so wound up earlier you dug up a post from 2018 and called Adam Lambert a liar to prove you posted in a thread. Wildly stable and not insecure at all.

    Any reasonable person finds that pathetic…but yeah, call me uninteresting and a got.

    Maybe time to abandon thread? Or the milquetoast argument no one disagrees with? But maybe you can find someone open to discussing the semantics of the word enamored?

    Back to your jerkoff session dodge man…and that’s for the car and the truck. .

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    Well that’s an embarrassing retort. We all have your shtick pegged. The only difference is some people actually take you seriously or just like dunking on your indefensible takes.

    You were so wound up earlier you dug up a post from 2018 and called Adam Lambert a liar to prove you posted in a thread. Wildly stable and not insecure at all.

    Any reasonable person finds that pathetic…but yeah, call me uninteresting and a got.

    Maybe time to abandon thread? Or the milquetoast argument no one disagrees with? But maybe you can find someone open to discussing the semantics of the word enamored?

    Back to your jerkoff session dodge man…and that’s for the car and the truck. .
    You never were able to stand on your own against me.

    Now you want to try to steal my shtick. I am the one who pegged all of you.

    "any reasonable person" is the worst argument ever since it assumes the speaker is the arbiter of reason.

    Again, you're not very bright and I've dragged you from pillar to post here about just about everything you tried to bow up on me about. Now you're still hurting over it and I get it, you probably fancy yourself a tough guy and your mental acuity has always been your weakness so you want to try to flex that here to maybe elevate your self respect a little, but you're not helping your case by pretending to be a narrator. Just fall inline with your mental pecking order (almost dead last for you) and let others who have a registerable IQ have a say. Sometimes the best thing you can do is just sit back and enjoy it since you cannot do anything about it..

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    You have to be more picky with who gets the taxpayer funding, You cannot have porous borders, support undo ented immigrants financially and still have Norway level social programs. How many people flooded across Norway's borders last year?

    "Only three out of every 100 would-be refugees try to remain in Norway if their applications for asylum are rejected. A new survey carried out by the state police agency charged with enforcing immigration law indicates that it’s simply too difficult to live as an illegal alien in Norway."

    WH is really adept at comparing the US to countries that have completely different cir stances and governments no one here would want. I've seen Japan being touted as a great system, but most here have no ing clue what living there would be like. Norway's biggest influx of immigrants (not even illegal) was just around 80K in one year. The US sees that weekly.
    this isnt about the weeds of immigration policy. its about the dumbass counter of "just because the government doesnt have x program doesnt stop you from doing it out of pocket"

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    WH is really adept at comparing the US to countries that have completely different cir stances and governments no one here would want. I've seen Japan being touted as a great system, but most here have no ing clue what living there would be like. Norway's biggest influx of immigrants (not even illegal) was just around 80K in one year. The US sees that weekly.
    Speak for yourself on that one. No system is perfect, but is, say, the Canadian government worse than ours?

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    So the argument for abortion is no one wants to take care of the babies?



    Yet no one wants to take care of the 10K immigrants under the border overpass yet I don't see anyone here calling for their deaths.
    But the question above is the strawman. Who made that argument outside of Nathan and now you?

    Plus, at least personally, I mentioned that the US shouldn't just send the immigrants home. In the particular case of Haitians, the US should also send substantial aid, otherwise you'll have them back here in no time.

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    Let's instead delve into why you're so enamored with me.

    1. You aren't an interesting person
    2. Your life doesn't impress you
    3. You hope to ride some coattails here for a few +1s
    4 You're a got

    I think 4 is the strongest case to present but I'm open to discuss the others
    , what say you Target worker?

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    DMC flayed as badly as the Texas law.

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    DMC flayed as badly as the Texas law.
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    You never were able to stand on your own against me.

    Now you want to try to steal my shtick. I am the one who pegged all of you.

    "any reasonable person" is the worst argument ever since it assumes the speaker is the arbiter of reason.

    Again, you're not very bright and I've dragged you from pillar to post here about just about everything you tried to bow up on me about. Now you're still hurting over it and I get it, you probably fancy yourself a tough guy and your mental acuity has always been your weakness so you want to try to flex that here to maybe elevate your self respect a little, but you're not helping your case by pretending to be a narrator. Just fall inline with your mental pecking order (almost dead last for you) and let others who have a registerable IQ have a say. Sometimes the best thing you can do is just sit back and enjoy it since you cannot do anything about it..
    This is rich coming from the guy who argued that any intervention of a government to redistribute wealth is bad and wont acknowledge that the 2nd Amendment right is not unlimited. Don't confuse my lack of interest in participating in your nonsensical longwinded arguments with stupidity.

    You're a boomer troll with awesome quips like California is not part of the US. Grow up old man.
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    “a dark day in the history of our great state.”



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    this isnt about the weeds of immigration policy. its about the dumbass counter of "just because the government doesnt have x program doesnt stop you from doing it out of pocket"
    But it's a fact. What's the difference between paying 40K a year to the federal government for social programs and you helping a family yourself with that same money? Oh because the gubmint good now.

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    This is rich coming from the guy who argued that any intervention of a government to redistribute wealth is bad and wont acknowledge that the 2nd Amendment right is not unlimited. Don't confuse my lack of interest in participating in your nonsensical longwinded arguments with stupidity.

    You're a boomer troll with awesome quips like California is not part of the US. Grow up old man.
    Not interested but you follow me around like a lost puppy

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    pro-life until birth

    But the question above is the strawman. Who made that argument outside of Nathan and now you?

    Plus, at least personally, I mentioned that the US shouldn't just send the immigrants home. In the particular case of Haitians, the US should also send substantial aid, otherwise you'll have them back here in no time.
    What argument is this making exactly?

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    Speak for yourself on that one. No system is perfect, but is, say, the Canadian government worse than ours?
    Where is Canada on that list?

    Do you want to live in Slovenia?

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