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So basically Pop cut Luka because he chose KBD over him.
So basically Pop cut Luka because he chose KBD over him.
Did you expect Pop to on him? Of course he is going to give a polite response
Down to Aminu or KBD at this point.
Ironically Aminu probably has the better trade value as a known commodity, but KBD is probably the better player at this point unless Aminu has a crazy resurgence.
Of all the games I watch, I miss the most relevant one, SMH
Interesting that Pop explicitly said they "had that talk after the Orlando game". It obviously was on everybody's mind at the time, but it's kind of rare to get such direct confirmation.
We really saw Luka giving up on his NBA career in real ing time
That’s sometimes what happens with high ceiling, low floor players. They hit that floor and go splat.
To all the ppl saying Pop didn't give him a chance, do you think it's possible he didn't even earn a shot with team practice? I mean he looked raw af, even after two years. I mean he makes Primo look like a 10 year vet...
^ I’m just thinking of a post from months ago that showed Luka had way less playing time than his peers from that draft. I think character and work ethic was a big issue but it can’t be unique to Luka, either. Basically, hey, not a good player for us, but why the did they draft him then? Whatever negatives people throw at Luka is also a statement on our scouting and/or development.
He quit on his current team which is playing in the finals of domestic league, to go to draft combine. Quitter at 19, tbh.
As I posted in other threads, he and his agent are adamant he plays in the NBA next season, so I don't know about stashing, how real option is that.
Otherwise, I've watched him in every game this season since he plays for a team from my hometown and I have mixed feelings about his (currently very, very inconsistent) game.
This was an original post by Smaka back on 5/18/19 in Timvp's Luka Samanik's NBA Draft Prospect Post. I knew that I read somewhere that he had quit on his team, & in this case, to go to the draft combine. I also thought that there was another instance where he bailed on his team(?). But I also understand that R.C. was scouting this dude, so should this draft pick fall on him? Perhaps R.C. was salivating on the "Luka" name & thought that we will have our own Luka & we will fix his flaws & indoctrinate him into the "Spurs" Way," for a player with so much potential! Oh well, so much for that. So unfortunate; so disappointing.
Perfect answer right here. Both things can be true at once: Luka sucked behind the scenes (and on the scene, depending on the day), AND also the coaching staff didn't give him the necessary time, role, and consistency for him to carve out any kind of role on the team. At the very least, if you know first hand that the player in question sucks or has personality issues, you try and get him on the court, and lure other teams into buying high on his "potential" and try to recoup losses; the Spurs didn't even manage that, and were already hardly playing him this preseason, his third year, after an entire year of not playing him, too.
It'd be one thing if Luka was a sole case of this, but we saw it previously with Lonnie, too, especially the inconsistency in role and minutes, and getting benched for vets who don't deserve their PT but have favor with the coach, so they stay on the court despite committing mistakes that get you pulled out (the infamous Beli/Mills/Forbes trio is an immediate example). That screws with any players' mindset, even if they have a positive mentality regarding it, like Lonnie does, instead of taking it negatively like Luka did.
I don't see Primo having this problem, he's got a different mental game altogether. But the Spurs would be really dumb to not accommodate their development/coaching tactics to more "emotional" players, and assume every player should stoically take every benching in stride for eternity. Especially in this day and age where everyone and their momma is a diva.
C'mon bruh, when have the Spurs ever been that kind of team... They do not look at players as assets at all.Perfect answer right here. Both things can be true at once: Luka sucked behind the scenes (and on the scene, depending on the day
It'd be one thing if Luka was a sole case of this, but we saw it previously with Lonnie, too, especially the inconsistency in role and minutes, and getting benched for vets who don't deserve their PT but have favor with the coach, so they stay on the court despite committing mistakes that get you pulled out (the infamous Beli/Mills/Forbes trio is an immediate example). That screws with any players' mindset(BULL ), even if they have a positive mentality regarding it, like Lonnie does, instead of taking it negatively like Luka did.
I don't see Primo having this problem, he's got a different mental game altogether. But the Spurs would be really dumb to not accommodate their development/coaching tactics to more "emotional" players, and assume every player should stoically take every benching in stride for eternity. Especially in this day and age where everyone and their momma is a diva.
As for Lonnie he had that one game against the Rockets where he literally put the team on his back and won it for us if I'm not mistaken. Luka never did anything ever.... ever.... ever.... ever... ok I'm done. Just so ppl can stop already. In response to the mindset thing, it is what it is man, I don't think you fully understand. If the egg gets cracked by the coach trying to push you, using just words, to achieve your potential then how the are you ever gonna perform when it matters most. You guys don't understand that. In pressure situations Lonnie, if you've noticed, he kind of fumbles around.
It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation... If Pop lets him do what he wants and he doesn't have the construct then it implodes later and if he coaches him up now, then he implodes in the season. Lonnie needs the coaching. This is exactly what they do in the military for ppl who are soft or with weak mentalities. They toughen em up and prepare them for war. You can argue whatever you want about if it's moral or not in a sports setting but it's a time and tested strategy that propels peak performance and Pop is from the military. Yall must be some soft pussies. I can't imagine anyone critiquing some of yall harshly.. Some of yall would fold up like a cheap lawn chair. I LOVE HARSH CRITIQUES. I love when ppl are frank and keep it real. It's a much more faster pace for growth if you let it.
As for the vets argument, that is fair, but once again is a military thing and vets have seniority with Pop. I only wish he would understand that even in times of war if a captain, squad leader ain't getting the job done then it needs to be given to someone who can. So I agree there.
All things considered, if a kid can't take the heat in a preseason game or season game, with just words, then he has no business playing tbh. The NBA ain't boot camp, that's training camp and the GLeague. When a kid is ready he can have his shot. I agree with Pop in that aspect.
Imagine being in the front lines and having a kid his pants right next to you... What would you do? How would that affect your Psych? With how vocal I am as a person and from experience in my days playing ball, I call ppl like that out all the time. I would've told his ass to "pass the ing ball. How the do you just watch him go to the basket. Play solid. Stop ing playing like it's a pickup." That's me. Ppl told me the same and I didn't piss and moan, I listened. Coachability is huge for a character team. Luka was a net negative and the longer you live in life you know you need to cut ppl off who aren't mutually beneficial. He wasn't. He was a parasite at this time.
Harsh words I know, but they are examples and the definitions are representative of the reality of it.
Last edited by raybies; 10-12-2021 at 03:37 PM.
What were the cir stances? Was he supposed to stay with his smaller time Euro team and miss the rare op to be seen by NBA scouts?He quit on his current team which is playing in the finals of domestic league, to go to draft combine. Quitter at 19, tbh.
Yes. True pros do that all the time. David was in the Navy for what, two years after he got drafted? Duncan also honored his parents wishes of finishing college as a four year graduate. If he wouldn't have honored his word we would have never had him. CHARACTER. Luka didn't have it.
It would've helped his character. But he sold out, and now the same flags that were there then are still here now. Who knows what kind of career he would've had by now if he made the "right" decisions.
And you act like a player with his kind of profile wouldn't have been drafted anyways or later.
He quit then and he quit now. The "Breakaway" meme said it all. Everyone knew.
Last edited by raybies; 10-12-2021 at 03:48 PM.
So utilizing your balling days and knowledge of Pops methods can you tell us how starting Bryn Bryn Forbes and Patty Mills together for 2 years was the result of a toughness strategy?
Yeah I knew a dumb ass like you would try to devalue my experiences. I was ready for it but it is what it is. You are a troll. My bad for actually indulging your garbage takes. This is what you do.
If you understood the heart of the message you would get me. Please disregard the statement of my experiences... And now try to make a stance against my post. Would love to discuss. I provided many applicable comparisons to help others understand and to advocate for the accuracy of my assertions.
*Also the "experience of my balling days" were only used to explain one point alone, and that was the frustration of what it's like to play with a player like Luka. It was in that paragraph. I thought it was a given, ya know, in regards to paragraph structure..
Last edited by raybies; 10-12-2021 at 04:01 PM.
I sure am glad we got to see LMA instead of Luka.
And now the haul we got from other teams for both of them combined.
Wow.
GFY.
And answer the question when you can about Bryn and Patty.
Ironically enough it was already answered but you seem to be remedial in regards to comprehension and understanding.
Dont forget, Luka got the start in one of the preseason games! For those saying he didn't get a chance, he got a feature in the starting lineup with a last chance total green light and did nothing with the opportunity.
And proceeded to go -20 and had like 11 points in what, like 18 minutes?
Just crazy.
You're skirting off.
As i posted, answer what you started when you can.
I don't know what Luka is like in practice etc, I'm not there.
Perhaps he is just a softie.
Not a given imo.
Yep, I skirted off. Dam, you win man. Great discussion. I said my peace.
1 game?
I didn't see it, believe you he sucked.
But to pin 1 game on him while giving the likes of Bryn Bryn Forms 151 games is complete and utter bull .
And honestly the weakness of the 2019 selections softened the blow on this bad pick.
Not crazy about Clarke but Pop would probably turn him into a beast. But Clarke still seems limited and Thybulle is even more raw.
I don't know, just not really feeling the sting on those guys though obviously would be nice to have Clarke instead of a waived pick rn.
Now if we lost keldon before 29 yeah this would really hurt in hindsight.
Vassell over Haliburton kills me much more.
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