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[Nathan89]

This is a term you made up. Describe it. Also does not address how you being in the minority can compel such system.



No, it's not an opinion. It's a fact that ruining a child's life is never a solution, no matter the problem. Whataboustism is also not an answer either. Gather your thoughts, and try again.

The opinion is your subjective view of what is going to ruin someones life.

Whataboutism is leftist nonsense to deflect from similar logic being applied elsewhere. Your authoritarian worldview applied elsewhere is a nightmare.

[Nathan89]

If you are mostly against homeschooling then you should be a big proponent of school choice. This allows parents to get away from indoctrination at government schools and simultaneously their kids will almost certainly receive better educations than the government schools provide. That's the logical solution that provides freedom and educational quality. Obviously parents will still have the homeschooling option but it will be an option that people take less under a system of school choice.

[Ef-man]

I am definitely against homeschooling.

Parents can decide to send their kids to public or private schools but tax money is solely for public schools.

[Trainwreck2100]

lol "indoctrination at public schools" cause dumbass parents for some reason are unable to set their kids straight on their own. Which if zoom schools taught us anything, they can't, not by any gov conspiracy but because they're ing stupid

[spurraider21]

If you are mostly against homeschooling then you should be a big proponent of school choice. This allows parents to get away from indoctrination at government schools and simultaneously their kids will almost certainly receive better educations than the government schools provide. That's the logical solution that provides freedom and educational quality. Obviously parents will still have the homeschooling option but it will be an option that people take less under a system of school choice.

you can send your kids to private schools. just shouldnt be subsidized

[DMC]

There's no inconsistency. As I pointed out, I didn't advocate for no homeschooling, but no homeschooling in it's current form.

There's simply no oversight to actually tell whether parents are qualified to teach children and provide them with a solid education.

I don't mind parents teaching them useless values (you could even argue that happens in public school as well), eventually the child will figure out that was worthless.

What can't happen is those children not getting the rest of the education they need to be productive members of society.

As I already pointed out, when that child becomes an adult and is unemployable, it's society as a whole that bears that burden.

While schools were closed the vast majority of them moved online, and classes continued remotely. It lacked the social interaction factor, which everyone agrees is far from ideal, but we actually had a health emergency. It's definitely not the norm.

We have literal decades if not centuries building an improving educational systems, updating them year after year as society moves forward. The curriculum nowadays has little resemblance to what was taught in the 1950's, for example.

Also, the border/education analogy is simply nowhere near the same ballpark. Separation at the border means they're still searching for the parents and kids to reunite them. Kids going to public school spend half a day outside the house, see their parent daily, sleep in the same house, spend weekends together. Like, not even close.

I think it should be the parent's choice if that parent qualifies to educate their kids in things that matter (basic school stuff). If a teacher wanted to home school her kid after deciding to stop working, would that be a problem? I get it that people who cannot add 2 and 2 shouldn't and probably can't teach at home, but that doesn't mean no one else can.

You look at these religious schools - sure they probably graduate top performers academically but they are teaching kids that an invisible sky deity rules the world. How many successful people today went to a religious school?

[DMC]

you can send your kids to private schools. just shouldnt be subsidized

I think if it's subsidized it should not be called a private school.

[Nathan89]

I am definitely against homeschooling.

Parents can decide to send their kids to public or private schools but tax money is solely for public schools.

Then don't complain about homeschooling when people try to avoid government schools.

[spurraider21]

I think if it's subsidized it should not be called a private school.

Agreed

[DMC]

Agreed

Ok agreement quota reached. No more of that this year.

[Nathan89]

I think it should be the parent's choice if that parent qualifies to educate their kids in things that matter (basic school stuff). If a teacher wanted to home school her kid after deciding to stop working, would that be a problem? I get it that people who cannot add 2 and 2 shouldn't and probably can't teach at home, but that doesn't mean no one else can.

You look at these religious schools - sure they probably graduate top performers academically but they are teaching kids that an invisible sky deity rules the world. How many successful people today went to a religious school?

The rates of graduation from religious schools and the rate at which they go to college afterwards will give you a good indication.

[spurraider21]

Ok agreement quota reached. No more of that this year.

[spurraider21]

its not a question of them being "religious" schools imo... private schools have advantages such as smaller classrooms. they also select for students from high socioeconomic backgrounds, ie parents who will pay for tutoring, have the time/means to drive them to schools outside where their district would be, etc.

but the solution shouldnt be to subsidize these schools by taking money out of public schools. thats just sabotaging the public school system

[ElNono]

I think it should be the parent's choice if that parent qualifies to educate their kids in things that matter (basic school stuff). If a teacher wanted to home school her kid after deciding to stop working, would that be a problem? I get it that people who cannot add 2 and 2 shouldn't and probably can't teach at home, but that doesn't mean no one else can.

You look at these religious schools - sure they probably graduate top performers academically but they are teaching kids that an invisible sky deity rules the world. How many successful people today went to a religious school?

That is the crux. We seemingly have some deluded pseudo intellectuals that pretend to be experts in pedagogy despite lacking credentials of any kind to lay that claim. See the responses in this thread for examples.

A modi of regulation and/or oversight solves this problem rather quickly. And you don't do it to expose anybody, you do it to ensure the child is getting a proper education before it's too late.

Religious schools also have to meet certain academic standards for hiring, and having an idiot for teacher places a bad name on the school. Despite the innuendo about the transparent guy in the sky, you also get the social interaction.

It's more of a walled garden, but there's a actual self-policing due to the commercial interest. There's none of that in homeschooling as it exists today in the US.

[DMC]

The rates of graduation from religious schools and the rate at which they go to college afterwards will give you a good indication.

It's really high. That's the point. These aren't liberal schools.

[DMC]

its not a question of them being "religious" schools imo... private schools have advantages such as smaller classrooms. they also select for students from high socioeconomic backgrounds, ie parents who will pay for tutoring, have the time/means to drive them to schools outside where their district would be, etc.

but the solution shouldnt be to subsidize these schools by taking money out of public schools. thats just sabotaging the public school system

So you're saying kids that wouldn't do as well in the public schools.

[ElNono]

The opinion is your subjective view of what is going to ruin someones life.

Whataboutism is leftist nonsense to deflect from similar logic being applied elsewhere. Your authoritarian worldview applied elsewhere is a nightmare.

There's nothing subjective about it. You know as well as I do what our societal rules are, what makes a person employable, how to improve the odds of that person being successful, etc.

Again, being in denial of the society around you doesn't make it not real. You walk the same streets I do, interact with the same companies and people everyone else does, etc.

Whataboutism is exactly what you're doing. You don't have to like it, but it does have a name. Then you follow with inane pla udes, including the umpteen attempt to crowbar "authoritarian" into this conversation.

[ElNono]

If you are mostly against homeschooling then you should be a big proponent of school choice. This allows parents to get away from indoctrination at government schools and simultaneously their kids will almost certainly receive better educations than the government schools provide. That's the logical solution that provides freedom and educational quality. Obviously parents will still have the homeschooling option but it will be an option that people take less under a system of school choice.

I generally have no problem with private schools, religious schools, vocational schools, etc. (as long as they don't receive government funding).

[DMC]

That is the crux. We seemingly have some deluded pseudo intellectuals that pretend to be experts in pedagogy despite lacking credentials of any kind to lay that claim. See the responses in this thread for examples.

A modi of regulation and/or oversight solves this problem rather quickly. And you don't do it to expose anybody, you do it to ensure the child is getting a proper education before it's too late.

Religious schools also have to meet certain academic standards for hiring, and having an idiot for teacher places a bad name on the school. Despite the innuendo about the transparent guy in the sky, you also get the social interaction.

It's more of a walled garden, but there's a actual self-policing due to the commercial interest. There's none of that in homeschooling as it exists today in the US.

You get social interaction in gangs and prison as well. The goal should be education, not social skills. School should be about learning, whatever residual benefits come from it are great, but I wouldn't use "he needs a friend to play with" as a reason to have another child nor to send a child to a larger public school vs a smaller one. Why would I use that reasoning to choose between public school and home schooling? It's not like the kid won't have friends. Maybe 30 years ago that would be the case but with social media now, it wouldn't be an issue. Besides, as an adult how many real friends do you end up with after you've dismissed the idiots, bums and troublemakers?

[Ef-man]

Then don't complain about homeschooling when people try to avoid government schools.

government schools

Cannot wait to read news article about a former ST poster who was arrested for some sovereign citizen .

[ElNono]

Let's have parents that want to homeschool get accreditation via an annual test. A teacher would certainly not have a problem passing that test. That's good enough for me to ascertain the parent is qualified.

[Nathan89]

There's nothing subjective about it. You know as well as I do what our societal rules are, what makes a person employable, how to improve the odds of that person being successful, etc.

Again, being in denial of the society around you doesn't make it not real. You walk the same streets I do, interact with the same companies and people everyone else does, etc.

Whataboutism is exactly what you're doing. You don't have to like it, but it does have a name. Then you follow with inane pla udes, including the umpteen attempt to crowbar "authoritarian" into this conversation.

It's moronic to base your morals on what corporations deem popular.

Not being employable by a large employer is also a subjective view of what quantifies as "ruined".

Whataboutism is used to deflect logic applied elsewhere. Why would I like that? I respond thoroughly to your comments and add extra to show how disastrous your worldview is. Whataboutism is almost always used by hypocrites and people that refuse to engage logical foresight. It's a defense mechanism. That's it.

[ElNono]

You get social interaction in gangs and prison as well. The goal should be education, not social skills. School should be about learning, whatever residual benefits come from it are great, but I wouldn't use "he needs a friend to play with" as a reason to have another child nor to send a child to a larger public school vs a smaller one. Why would I use that reasoning to choose between public school and home schooling? It's not like the kid won't have friends. Maybe 30 years ago that would be the case but with social media now, it wouldn't be an issue. Besides, as an adult how many real friends do you end up with after you've dismissed the idiots, bums and troublemakers?

Social interaction is important (though I agree it shouldn't be the focus) because it helps with pedagogy. Not all kids and households are the same. ie: it's a lot harder to explain poverty to a school of children of millionaires than the kiddo having a friend that's poor and sees first hand what that looks like day to day.

Some of these kids are troubled as well, parents don't know how to deal with them, and this is why you have a network of support for children in schools nowadays, that range from psychologists to social workers, to speech therapists, etc. That is part of education as well.

It's an environment that really mirrors society in a lot of ways. IRL, everybody has different backgrounds, at udes, problems, communication skills, etc.

[spurraider21]

So you're saying kids that wouldn't do as well in the public schools.

im saying there's a big selection bias

[Nathan89]

I generally have no problem with private schools, religious schools, vocational schools, etc. (as long as they don't receive government funding).

So don't complain about homeschooling by those avoiding government schools. If you care about educational quality then school choice is the at scale solution that gives people freedom and educational quality.