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    A terrifying read. Regardless of what you think, you should read the whole thing.

    TLDR: There are a lot of warning signs that war with China is a lot closer than you might think, with far more potential flashpoints than most realize.

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    The U.S. and its friends can take steps to deter the PRC, such as drastically speeding the acquisition of weaponry and prepositioning military assets in the Taiwan Strait and East and South China Seas, among other efforts, to showcase its hard power and ensure that China can’t easily knock out U.S. combat power in a surprise attack. At the same time, calmly firming up multilateral plans, involving Japan, Australia, and potentially India and Britain, for responding to Chinese aggression could make Beijing realize how costly such aggression might be. If Beijing understands that it cannot easily or cheaply win a conflict, it may be more cautious about starting one.

    Most of these steps are not technologically difficult: They exploit capabilities that are available today. Yet they require an intellectual shift—a realization that the United States and its allies need to rapidly shut China’s windows of military opportunity, which means preparing for a war that could well start in 2025 rather than in 2035. And that, in turn, requires a degree of political will and urgency that has so far been lacking.

    China’s historical warning signs are already flashing red. Indeed, taking the long view of why and under which cir stances China fights is the key to understanding just how short time has become for America and the other countries in Beijing’s path.

    (atlantic article hosted on msn)
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...war/ar-AAQbegN
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    Companies should really, really start re-thinking their supply chains from Asia.

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    What specifically terrifies you, RG?

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    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
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    What specifically terrifies you, RG?
    1) The number of very plausible flashpoints,
    2) past Chinese government's willingness to spark small scale wars all the way up to full on interventions, which was a bit new to me.
    3) Chinese hubris causing them to overestimate their hand and something escalating.

    Chinese autocracy insulates its ular head with yes-men. That is a recipe for disaster.

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    1) The number of very plausible flashpoints,
    2) past Chinese government's willingness to spark small scale wars all the way up to full on interventions, which was a bit new to me.
    3) Chinese hubris causing them to overestimate their hand and something escalating.

    Chinese autocracy insulates its ular head with yes-men. That is a recipe for disaster.
    1.)Speculation
    2.)History
    3.)Psychologizing
    4.)Authoritarianism

    More of a laundry list than an argument, maybe you were scared already. The US treating the Pacific Ocean as a US lagoon surely drives the antagonism too, with all the attendant dangers.

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    Voting for Democrats

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    Voting for Democrats
    ...amen to that.

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    Voting for Democrats
    they're all commies tbh

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    1.)Speculation
    2.)History
    3.)Psychologizing
    4.)Authoritarianism

    More of a laundry list than an argument, maybe you were scared already. The US treating the Pacific Ocean as a US lagoon surely drives the antagonism too, with all the attendant dangers.
    lmao its the US fault for supporting Taiwan over there or something here. Leftism is so predictable in its ability to blame the US for anything

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    lmao its the US fault for supporting Taiwan over there or something here. Leftism is so predictable in its ability to blame the US for anything
    I didn't say so, just pointed out you need at least two side for there to be antagonism.

    Lol at you flipping because the role of the US is merely described.

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    A terrifying read. Regardless of what you think, you should read the whole thing.

    TLDR: There are a lot of warning signs that war with China is a lot closer than you might think, with far more potential flashpoints than most realize.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    The U.S. and its friends can take steps to deter the PRC, such as drastically speeding the acquisition of weaponry and prepositioning military assets in the Taiwan Strait and East and South China Seas, among other efforts, to showcase its hard power and ensure that China can’t easily knock out U.S. combat power in a surprise attack. At the same time, calmly firming up multilateral plans, involving Japan, Australia, and potentially India and Britain, for responding to Chinese aggression could make Beijing realize how costly such aggression might be. If Beijing understands that it cannot easily or cheaply win a conflict, it may be more cautious about starting one.

    Most of these steps are not technologically difficult: They exploit capabilities that are available today. Yet they require an intellectual shift—a realization that the United States and its allies need to rapidly shut China’s windows of military opportunity, which means preparing for a war that could well start in 2025 rather than in 2035. And that, in turn, requires a degree of political will and urgency that has so far been lacking.

    China’s historical warning signs are already flashing red. Indeed, taking the long view of why and under which cir stances China fights is the key to understanding just how short time has become for America and the other countries in Beijing’s path.

    (atlantic article hosted on msn)
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...war/ar-AAQbegN
    --------------------------------------------

    Companies should really, really start re-thinking their supply chains from Asia.
    Personally, I see China preferring a bloodless take over (with no negative economic impact to China). Other than US putting nuclear missiles there, I see nothing to escalate an attack.

    Am sure bloviator-in-chief will provide his usual “critical thinking” without saying much when he sees your thread Reck. This is you Reck, right?

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    lmao its the US fault for supporting Taiwan over there or something here. Leftism is so predictable in its ability to blame the US for anything
    Taiwan belongs to China. Always has.

    USA getting in bwtween that is as warmonger as it gets. China wont put up with it.

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    lmao its the US fault for supporting Taiwan over there or something here. Leftism is so predictable in its ability to blame the US for anything
    Whenever China decides to take Taiwan, Biden will lift nary finger to stop 'em. Sure, he'll and moan, himself even, but he ain't goin' back to war so soon after tunnel visioning his watch as the last 13 of our children stepped down from the plan out at Dover..."and there to meet me is my mama and papa"...

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    they're all commies tbh
    why would commies declare war against other commies?

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    1.)Speculation
    2.)History
    3.)Psychologizing
    4.)Authoritarianism

    More of a laundry list than an argument, maybe you were scared already. The US treating the Pacific Ocean as a US lagoon surely drives the antagonism too, with all the attendant dangers.
    Not speculation. based on past actions, holmes. read the article.

    This was a solid take, and one that should give anyone pause.

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    Not speculation. based on past actions, holmes. read the article.

    This was a solid take, and one that should give anyone pause.
    generalizing your oon take.

    bold move.

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    ...amen to that.
    they're all commies tbh
    Wait, wait, wait... I thought the commie Democrats loved China and were best buddies... that doesn't look like a sound strategy to start a war with China.

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    Whenever China decides to take Taiwan, Biden will lift nary finger to stop 'em. Sure, he'll and moan, himself even, but he ain't goin' back to war so soon after tunnel visioning his watch as the last 13 of our children stepped down from the plan out at Dover..."and there to meet me is my mama and papa"...
    I'm talking historically. It's pretty obvious a main reason Taiwan was never invaded by China was partially because of us our military support and alliance. Taiwan is also very successful economically and has a strong navy so it wasn't solely us

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    generalizing your oon take.

    bold move.
    Not sure what you are looking for here. The article was a compelling one.

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    I'm talking historically. It's pretty obvious a main reason Taiwan was never invaded by China was partially because of us our military support and alliance. Taiwan is also very successful economically and has a strong navy so it wasn't solely us
    ...then they'll have nary problem with us stepping aside on this occasion of war and perhaps giving Japan & Germany an opportunity to send their children to the slaughter. After all they've been sitting it out for over 75 years.

    Chop/chop!!!

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    why would commies declare war against other commies?
    Lmao Thinking that's what's going on here... It's not war against other commies, it's war against us who love this country vs them who don't. Those "dems" are nothing more than useful idiots.

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    Lmao Thinking that's what's going on here... It's not war against other commies, it's war against us who love this country vs them who don't. Those "dems" are nothing more than useful idiots.
    the question is "what will drive china to war" and you agreed with "voting for democrats"

    why would china be driven to war if we elected (who you consider to be) fellow communists?

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    the question is "what will drive china to war" and you agreed with "voting for democrats"

    why would china be driven to war if we elected (who you consider to be) fellow communists?
    2.communist countries cannot go to war with each other? Since when?

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    2.communist countries cannot go to war with each other? Since when?
    didnt say that

    but why would another country going communist (lol) specifically be a driver of war?

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    ...then they'll have nary problem with us stepping aside on this occasion of war and perhaps giving Japan & Germany an opportunity to send their children to the slaughter. After all they've been sitting it out for over 75 years.

    Chop/chop!!!
    I don't have any problem with other UN nations footing the bill or taking the lead so we're not disagreeing here

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