Supreme Court allows Texas’ 6-week abortion ban to take effect

[RandomGuy]

The tragedy of the commons is a problem in economics that occurs when individuals neglect the well-being of society in the pursuit of personal gain


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Okay, but that is the essential fundamental of U.S. American foundation. If you don't like it... move to a more "everyone lives for each other" country, like in Europe or Japan or even Canada... quit trying to change America, quit trying to move America further to the left.

Libertarianism is the core fundamental ideology of Americanism.

It is most definitely NOT a "failed ideology" like communism, fascism, and *socialism (when implemented in non-small countries... i.e. it can be effective on a micro scale like Faroe Islands or even a Sweden or Norway, but NOT a very large population country especially such an ethnically and culturally diverse one such as the USA).

It definitely doesn't fail economically. Capitalism is a success as long as the fair tax laws are enforced, including on large corporations, whether traditional or innovative. The problem is the democratic party and their big biz cronies giving them big unfair tax breaks which further wreck the economy and keep the democratic party in power. They preach equality and left wing ideals but enforce them selectively. Especially amplified with big tech and Amazon paying net zero taxes. There needs to be an end to this.

So you managed to look up the definition of tragedy of the commons. It's a good first step.

Solve the tragedy of the commons with a solution that is consistent with libertarian principles. Give me a working solution.

We can then move on to negative externalities, and the inevitable failures of free markets.

[RandomGuy]

Reagan deregulated, lowered taxes, continued Carter's budget deficit trend, got rid of shortages (supplies, oil, etc), renegotiated trade deals and treaties, lowered gas prices dramatically, did not get Iran back (but that was a lost cause... it was Carter or bust imo), but did get Libya off our backs, did negotiate with Gorbyachev to weaken the USSR and successfully convinced the USSR to ultimately disband... Reagan armed the mujahideen/pre Taliban as a proxy to Russia, which was a mistake.

So yeah, Reagan was a mixed bag. While Carter was a complete 4 year net negative. Nixon was a strong positive but he got got for Bill Belicheat tactics, so it is what it is.

Nixon got straight up implicated in a crime.

[RandomGuy]

It's a TRAP

MSNBC legal experts surprised at Kavanaugh and Barrett 'skepticism' over Texas abortion law



"Well, the thing that seems significant to me, if not extraordinary, is the open skepticism, if not downright hostility we've seen by Justices [Brett] Kavanaugh and [Amy Coney] Barrett,"

"And with those two votes, we could see a successful challenge to SB-8."

if a state can do this with abortion rights, can't a state do the same with gun rights and other things?"

"The answer to that was about how we have to trust states to be faithful to the Cons ution.

Well, if Texas isn't faithful to the Cons ution here,

I don't see how we can expect that elsewhere.

That was a powerful moment in the argument."

https://www.rawstory.com/msnbc-legal-experts-surprised-at-kavanaugh-and-coney-barrett-skepticism-over-texas-abortion-law

The Repugs/Capitalists/Christian don't GAF about the Cons ution. Their priorities ignore the Cons ution

Letting the Texas law stands opens up a nightmarish scape of private vigilantism that even dip s like these two understand the dangers of.

The backers of this law are going to be roundly disappointed. The only real question is how many of them will call in death threats for the perceived betrayal of these two justices, and if any of those anti-abortion extremists will act on that.

[Winehole23]

Letting the Texas law stands opens up a nightmarish scape of private vigilantism that even dip s like these two understand the dangers of.

The backers of this law are going to be roundly disappointed. The only real question is how many of them will call in death threats for the perceived betrayal of these two justices, and if any of those anti-abortion extremists will act on that.

The Texas lawyer straight up admitted the SB 8 legal scheme would be valid wielded against 2A or religious rights.

[RandomGuy]

The Texas lawyer straight up admitted the SB 8 legal scheme would be valid wielded against 2A or religious rights.

If I had to pick something for the betting pool I would go for a unanimous squashing.

[Winehole23]

If I had to pick something for the betting pool I would go for a unanimous squashing.

Alito and Gorsuch seemed skeptical about the procedural issues with letting the district court injunction stand. Trying to read the tea-leaves based on SC questions is admittedly more of an art than a science, tbh.

I'm more interested in how they come down on US v Texas. If the federal government can't rein in states bent on denying cons utional rights, that seems much more momentous to me. Seems the overall legal strategy in and out of the Supreme Court is to buy time for Trump installed justices to overturn Roe v. Wade.

[boutons_deux]

Letting the Texas law stands opens up a nightmarish scape of private vigilantism that even dip s like these two understand the dangers of.

The backers of this law are going to be roundly disappointed. The only real question is how many of them will call in death threats for the perceived betrayal of these two justices, and if any of those anti-abortion extremists will act on that.

Vigilantism is one aspect, but I think the Catholic SCOTUS5 Papists feel TX is usurping their role as misogynists to outlaw abortion, which they will rule on sooner or later.

[ElNono]

This just isn't going to stand. It's patently obvious that if we wanted to allow States to effectively nullify Cons utional rights, then we would've done so a long time ago, and would be within a framework delineated by the actual US Cons ution, not a legal technicality.

If this were to stand it would apply evenly to every Cons utional right. Just not going to happen.

I just want to thank the citizens of Texas for burning through their State's time and money with another stupid legal theory while re-affirming a women's cons utional right to choose.

[Will Hunting]

This just isn't going to stand. It's patently obvious that if we wanted to allow States to effectively nullify Cons utional rights, then we would've done so a long time ago, and would be within a framework delineated by the actual US Cons ution, not a legal technicality.

If this were to stand it would apply evenly to every Cons utional right. Just not going to happen.

I just want to thank the citizens of Texas for burning through their State's time and money with another stupid legal theory while re-affirming a women's cons utional right to choose.

If SCOTUS lets this stand, California and New York need to immediately pass laws issuing bounties on any corporation that violates the provisions Feingold-McCain Act that Citizens United found uncons utional.

[Will Hunting]

Listening to oral arguments, Kavanaugh and Barrett actually asked good faith, articulate questions for the most part, while Gorsuch & Alito made no effort to hide the fact they're partisan hacks. Roberts just seemed like he was over it altogether.

[baseline bum]

If SCOTUS lets this stand, California and New York need to immediately pass laws issuing bounties on any corporation that violates the provisions Feingold-McCain Act that Citizens United found uncons utional.

Those corporations can all afford good lawyers unlike people working at Planned Parenthood.

[Will Hunting]

Those corporations can all afford good lawyers unlike people working at Planned Parenthood.

Do what SB8 does and make it so their lawyers can be jointly and severally liable for the other side's legal fees of they represent them.

[baseline bum]

Listening to oral arguments, Kavanaugh and Barrett actually asked good faith, articulate questions for the most part, while Gorsuch & Alito made no effort to hide the fact they're partisan hacks. Roberts just seemed like he was over it altogether.

Good faith would have been stopping this law from ever taking effect. They know they have to invalidate it or we'd have a ing civil war when California starts putting bounties on gun store owners and such. But Barrett and Kavanaugh wanted to troll the libs by letting the Texas law stand for a while before they uphold the Mississippi law banning at 15 weeks next month.

[Will Hunting]

That's just one idea btw. It'd be hilarious if California and New York passed a law that created a bounty against anyone speaking in tongues....god knows those Pentecostal re s can't afford lawyers.

[Will Hunting]

Good faith would have been stopping this law from ever taking effect. They know they have to invalidate it or we'd have a ing civil war when California starts putting bounties on gun store owners and such. But Barrett and Kavanaugh wanted to troll the libs by letting the Texas law stand for a while before they uphold the Mississippi law banning at 15 weeks next month.

I want them to overturn Roe at this point tho. There's already large swaths of the country that have to drive 100+ miles to get an abortion, overturning Roe altogether wouldn't change much at this point, it'd just depress evangelical turnout in elections.

[baseline bum]

I want them to overturn Roe at this point tho. There's already large swaths of the country that have to drive 100+ miles to get an abortion, overturning Roe altogether wouldn't change much at this point, it'd just depress evangelical turnout in elections.

The GOP would find their next wedge issue and evangelicals would flock to it. bag white evangelicals didn't give a about abortion until the GOP made it their big wedge issue with Reagan.

[Will Hunting]

The GOP would find their next wedge issue and evangelicals would flock to it. bag white evangelicals didn't give a about abortion until the GOP made it their big wedge issue with Reagan.

Agreed but I don't think they'll find another wedge issue as effective as abortion is.

Overturning Roe will also drive huge turnout from younger libs and it'll ensure the suburbs keep shifting left.

[baseline bum]

Agreed but I don't think they'll find another wedge issue as effective as abortion is.

Overturning Roe will also drive huge turnout from younger libs and it'll ensure the suburbs keep shifting left.

Why wouldn't the GOP find something as effective? White evangelicals didn't care about abortion before the GOP told them to view it as the greatest evil on Earth. They'll do as they're told again. I'm not convinced even a war in the Middle East with a national draft would drive huge turnout from young people.

[Will Hunting]

Why wouldn't the GOP find something as effective? White evangelicals didn't care about abortion before the GOP told them to view it as the greatest evil on Earth. They'll do as they're told again. I'm not convinced even a war in the Middle East with a national draft would drive huge turnout from young people.

Because an adverse SCOTUS ruling that gutted abortion restrictions across the country + "muh babies are being killed!" is what made abortion such a compelling issue.

The current SCOTUS we have ain't issuing any ruling adverse to evangelicals anytime soon, and after decades of overturning Roe being hyped up as the ultimate end game, the GOP isn't gonna be able to just replace it with something else overnight.

[boutons_deux]

Why wouldn't the GOP find something as effective? White evangelicals didn't care about abortion before the GOP told them to view it as the greatest evil on Earth. They'll do as they're told again. I'm not convinced even a war in the Middle East with a national draft would drive huge turnout from young people.

Abortion, essentially misogyny and racism, has been the primary wedge issue for 50 years,

onto which Repugs and money-grubbing pastors added LGBT hate.

I expect the Catholic SOCTUS6 to overturn Obergefell, imposing Popery ethics and OT hate on America.

After Jan 2025, I expect the Repugs to pass Federal laws severely restricting vote-by-mail

[Will Hunting]

Abortion, essentially misogyny and racism, has been the primary wedge issue for 50 years,

onto which Repugs and money-grubbing pastors added LGBT hate.

I expect the Catholic SOCTUS6 to overturn Obergefell, imposing Popery ethics and OT hate on America.

After Jan 2025, I expect the Repugs to pass Federal laws severely restricting vote-by-mail

SCOTUS isn't gonna touch Obergefell.

[spurraider21]

If SCOTUS lets this stand, California and New York need to immediately pass laws issuing bounties on any corporation that violates the provisions Feingold-McCain Act that Citizens United found uncons utional.

Or owning firearms

or being unvaccinated. Or not wearing masks

[Will Hunting]

Or owning firearms

or being unvaccinated. Or not wearing masks

Selling firearms would be better imo but yes

[Millennial_Messiah]

So you managed to look up the definition of tragedy of the commons. It's a good first step.

Solve the tragedy of the commons with a solution that is consistent with libertarian principles. Give me a working solution.

We can then move on to negative externalities, and the inevitable failures of free markets.

The whole "others" argument is such bull . People that live for themselves, love thyself first are the happiest, richest, wealthiest people. People that chronically worry about others and love others over themselves are always poor, struggling, pissed, and unhappy.

Always put yourself first. That is libertarianism in a nuts .

Nixon got straight up implicated in a crime.

And? So did a lot of people. Bill Clinton himself, though he was one of the better Democrat presidents.

[ElNono]

If SCOTUS lets this stand, California and New York need to immediately pass laws issuing bounties on any corporation that violates the provisions Feingold-McCain Act that Citizens United found uncons utional.

Or let any citizen sue gun owners for up to 1 million. I mean, it's a free for all.