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    For not drafting Sengun.

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    Pop has never been our draft guy. Other than general personality requirements, he pretty much stays out of it.

    You’re really ing over 9.1/4.6?

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    You’re really ing over 9.1/4.6?
    In 18 minutes, yes.

    Very Happy with my pick of Primo Suave. Competent FO would have found a way to have gotten them both.

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    You’re really ing over 9.1/4.6?
    You're talking about a guy who is afraid to use his main account for "reasons". Dude went into hiding for half a year over dumb things he said in the politics thread to hide from TSA and welch on a bet. Of course he's giving Momma-San more underwear to launder and neatly fold and put away.

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    Pop has never been our draft guy. Other than general personality requirements, he pretty much stays out of it.

    You’re really ing over 9.1/4.6?
    Ahh, “counting stats” for a rookie. So you like basic stats now? Got it.

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    In 18 minutes, yes.

    Very Happy with my pick of Primo Suave. Competent FO would have found a way to have gotten them both.
    Yeah. Supposedly NY was offering their two FR picks. I think we could have gotten both players. I’m not buying the agent talk that he was going mid first round. Dubious of the “open growth plate” theory the agent was selling either, but we’ll see.

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    In 18 minutes, yes.

    Very Happy with my pick of Primo Suave. Competent FO would have found a way to have gotten them both.
    That’s 18.2/9.2 in 36. Not stupendous. Poeltl is averaging 12.4/9.1 in 29 minutes. It’s also kind of a red flag when a center averages more steals than blocks. Hint: his steals aren’t eye popping.
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    That’s 18.2/9.2 in 36. Not stupendous. Poeltl is averaging 124.4/9.1 in 29 minutes. It’s also kind of a red flag when a center averages more steals than blocks. Hint: his steals aren’t eye popping.
    Ya Poodles only had 6 years and 150 starts in the NBA.
    Rookie with 26 games should be able to equal.

    Horrible take.

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    FiveThirtyRaptor WAR

    73) 1.5 Steve Adams, Deni Avdja, Will Barton, Bradley Beal, Luka Doncic, Anthony Edwards, Al Horford, Herbert Jones, De'Anthony Melton, Malik Monk, Alperen Sengun, P.J. Tucker, Gabe Vincent, Derrick White

    Those 14 in minute played order:

    972 Anthony Edwards
    901 Bradley Beal
    811 Derrick White
    786 P.J. Tucker
    777 Will Barton
    735 Luka Doncic
    711 Al Horford
    700 Herbert Jones
    693 Steve Adams
    666 Malik Monk
    611 De'Anthony Melton
    593 Deni Avdja
    473 Alperen Sengun
    460 Gabe Vincent

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    Oh look, OP wants attention again

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    Pop has never been our draft guy. Other than general personality requirements, he pretty much stays out of it.

    You’re really ing over 9.1/4.6?
    You might want to pay more attention...



    He's also pretty much running their second unit offense now. He's averaging 7 assits to 4.6 To's per 48; Jokic's rookie year was 5.2 to 2.9...

    For a 19 year old foreign big in his NBA rookie season, he looks like he's on track to be pretty good...

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    Ahh, “counting stats” for a rookie. So you like basic stats now? Got it.
    Poeltl OWS 1.2 DWS 0.2 WS 1.8
    Sengun OWS 0.6 DWS 0.4 WS 1.5

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    You might want to pay more attention...



    He's also pretty much running their second unit offense now. He's averaging 7 assits to 4.6 To's per 48; Jokic's rookie year was 5.2 to 2.9...

    For a 19 year old foreign big in his NBA rookie season, he looks like he's on track to be pretty good...
    He's absolutely on track to be pretty good, and better than just "pretty good". He's having a stupendous rookie season and showing a bunch of flashes that aren't normal, especially for centers, who are notorious for being slow to develop.

    No need to bash the kid just to try to "save face" to the FO or prop up Primo. I was full team Sengun before the draft, and I'm not surprised that he's gotten off to a strong start, but I also like what I've seen from Primo. Two entirely different players, and TBH, both cover entirely different, but also much-needed, holes for the Spurs. Let's hope the next draft allows us to shore up the big man hole that we didn't fill last year.

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    Poeltl OWS 1.2 DWS 0.2 WS 1.8
    Sengun OWS 0.6 DWS 0.4 WS 1.5
    You sure showed us.

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    You sure showed us.
    He was complaining about counting stats, so…

    He’s not a bad prospect, and in fact is probably a good one, but nothing to lose sleep over, and isn’t better than Poodle.

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    He was complaining about counting stats, so…

    He’s not a bad prospect, and in fact is probably a good one, but nothing to lose sleep over, and isn’t better than Poodle.
    Poodles rookie season:
    11 minutes
    3.1 pts
    3.1 rebounds
    0.2 assists
    0.3 blocks
    0.0 treys

    Sengun rookie season so far
    18 minutes
    9.7 pts
    4.2 rbs
    3.2 assists
    1.1 blocks
    10-30 treys

    Okay Homer?

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    Poodles rookie season:
    11 minutes
    3.1 pts
    3.1 rebounds
    0.2 assists
    0.3 blocks
    0.0 treys

    Sengun rookie season so far
    18 minutes
    9.7 pts
    4.2 rbs
    3.2 assists
    1.1 blocks
    10-30 treys

    Okay Homer?
    . Nice deflection. It was a fairly straightforward statement that you chose to twist: he isn’t better than Poodle. He isn’t. Poodle is a developed player. Sengun is a prospect on a tanking team. Even comparing their rookie seasons isn’t clear, since Poodle played off the bench for an EC contender, not a WC bottom feeder.

    Nice counting stats, by the way.

    Rookie Poodle 1.6 WS
    Rookie Sengun 1.5 WS

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    . Nice deflection. It was a fairly straightforward statement that you chose to twist: he isn’t better than Poodle. He isn’t. Poodle is a developed player. Sengun is a prospect on a tanking team. Even comparing their rookie seasons isn’t clear, since Poodle played off the bench for an EC contender, not a WC bottom feeder.

    Nice counting stats, by the way.

    Rookie Poodle 1.6 WS
    Rookie Sengun 1.5 WS
    Nice deflection?

    Wow, you sure showed us.

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    That’s 18.2/9.2 in 36. Not stupendous. Poeltl is averaging 12.4/9.1 in 29 minutes. It’s also kind of a red flag when a center averages more steals than blocks. Hint: his steals aren’t eye popping.
    It also would be 6.13 personal fouls in 36 minutes!

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    I was pissed about Primo on draft night, but I understand why we drafted the kid. Lots of raw talent.



    Sengun was high on my draft board, too. I'm sure someone will bump this thread in a couple of years depending on how their respective careers develop.

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    What an easy to read graph (if you have every rookie's face memorized and can somehow un-pile the mass in the middle).

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    . Nice deflection. It was a fairly straightforward statement that you chose to twist: he isn’t better than Poodle. He isn’t. Poodle is a developed player. Sengun is a prospect on a tanking team. Even comparing their rookie seasons isn’t clear, since Poodle played off the bench for an EC contender, not a WC bottom feeder.

    Nice counting stats, by the way.

    Rookie Poodle 1.6 WS
    Rookie Sengun 1.5 WS
    This post demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding on win shares. Poeltl had 1.6 WS over 54 games and Sengun has 1.5 in 26. There's no question that Sengun has had a better rookie season than Poeltl did.

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    This post demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding on win shares. Poeltl had 1.6 WS over 54 games and Sengun has 1.5 in 26. There's no question that Sengun has had a better rookie season than Poeltl did.
    It was a trap I set for Mul roll, and he fell right in. I knew it was a partial season, just trying to see if he would spot it.

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    It was a trap I set for Mul roll, and he fell right in. I knew it was a partial season, just trying to see if he would spot it.
    You consider this "fell right in it."?
    Nice deflection?

    Wow, you sure showed us.
    exstatic with more Peletron back pedaling.

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    I was pissed about Primo on draft night, but I understand why we drafted the kid. Lots of raw talent.



    Sengun was high on my draft board, too. I'm sure someone will bump this thread in a couple of years depending on how their respective careers develop.
    I hear you and I felt the same , although I'm almost 100% sure we could have gotten both and used our later for Primo.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm very satisfied with Primo and I see a talented player in him however it just stings knowing we should have gotten both.

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