The FRP is the prize for Thad, while the second + chance to see Smith for a year is the sweetener for Saric dead money
Smith is young and plays PF so it would definitely fit our needs, if he's not good then he's just gone, not a big risk. I'm not counting on Saric so if he comes back to an average level playing 10-15 minutes that would be a bonus. We're talking about trading Young, a guy who doesn't play a lot with Pop, anything for him is valuable. And picks can be valuable too.
This is the same deal people were suggesting back in August. Then ESPN came up with it like it was their own idea.
Two picks proposed.
According to some, we would have no Bird OR matching rights, and he would be unrestricted.
No one I saw has a second round pick included.
Because you will have 10 millions of cap space instead of 20 millions. If we value Smith and Saric it's a good deal.
I'm not sure that giving that much of cap space for a 24' pick is that good.
Looking at it again, I think you're right. This is only Smith's second year so the Spurs would have Early Bird rights which would let the Spurs exceed the cap to sign him up to 104.5% of the average salary (is this equal to or around the MLE?). But the Spurs should have enough cap space that won't matter.
With Smith's 3rd year option already declined he should be unrestricted.
Wow, so a sports scribbler added a second. Amazing.
I would do the pick for just the draft pick alone - People mention cap well what did we do with money we had this past off seaon - Aminu, Collins, and Young.......2022 going to be the same type of players we get as free agents
Remember when Saric was a piece in Kawhi trades? Haha.
So if Zollins is healthy, we move Eubanks along with Young to match roster spots?
No way they trade Eubanks, he is their pet project. Watch as they demote Zollins under Eubanks.
I don't think Zollins minutes are anything significant this year, out of a sheer abundance of caution.
haha Ex has his ear to the street so must be an error. Ex makes guys that scribble reputable.
IMO, the Spurs don’t like to do midseason deals when it involves players with tenure or leadership in the locker room. I don’t think there’s any attachment there and Young is a unique case compared to past Spurs’ players in that there’s nothing about him that makes it difficult to trade him away. He’s still SOMEWHAT playable even though he’s a liability because he can’t shoot 3’s and is an undersized center. The only factor here is if the Spurs would prefer a redundant 2nd round pick or would they prefer to have nothing at all. If the Spurs want anything more, then THAT’s where I see an issue would come from as it would force them to include a player they are attached to (for better or for worse). Before the season started, I couldn’t see Eubanks included because of his relationship with Keldon but he has fallen so far after the Spurs have squeezed everything out of him that his ceiling as a player has been exposed.
For the Suns I don't know which is more important to them getting Saric off the books or getting Young to help their chances with winning a ring - Me thinks it's both....
As far as what we giving up for that I think Eubanks, Forbes, and obviously Young is what we looking at giving up.
What we getting back should be Smith - I don't care about Zollins until he shows he has fully recovered from TWO broken ankles and plays a full healthy season he is just a big gamble. Try out Smith and if he doesn't work out no loss
With us taking on Saric deal the Suns can have room to get better next season but that is going to cost them giving us Smith and a 1st. I like a first protected and a second round, but I don't want those picks until 2024 by then Paul will be either a s of himself or gone either way the head of the snake will be gone and the snake will die so should be a decent pick
That’s incorrect, tho. Thad has some decent 3pt shooting ability.
With the Pacers, 3 seasons, 2016-‘19, 154 of 445, .346. Not great, but not horrible.
His first year with the Bulls, 2019-20, 79 of 222, .356. Not a league leader, but again, not horrible. The defense couldn’t ignore him at the arc.
He’s certainly playable in the right situation, where a team can use him at PF.
Yeah Young can shoot the 3 he's just got a Diawesque case of avoidance or is just in Pop's doghouse.
The Suns will still just roll the dice on a buyout. At this point Thad is mostly C and with Ayton on the team the most he'll play in the playoffs is about 10-12 minutes a game. And again Phoenix still has a really good shot at getting him without giving up assets.
With Poeltl at center there aren’t any plays where the center shoots a three. So in the games when Thad was just plugged in as Poeltl’s backup there weren’t any 3pt plays for him.
445 three pointers in a span of three years is 1-2 three pointers a game. For his entire career, he's never shot more than 1.3 three pointers a game. That's not going to change as a 35 year old. Listing out his 3 pt percentages while ignoring his 3 pt rate is extremely weird. He's not suddenly going to shift into a reliable 3 pt shooter even if your game plan is to make him shoot more 3's. Handing a player more 3's on the basis that he shoots them at an OK percentage on low volume does not always equate into OK percentages on higher volume. There's a reason he's never played that way his entire career and even if you think that there's a "Spurs effect" going on with Thaddeus this year, you can look no further than last year when he barely shot a SINGLE 3 a game for the Bulls.
This fantasy of thinking any undersized center can play the four has to stop. There's a reason they're playing center. It's either they're too slow or they can't shoot 3's. Many folks can't admit that one of these two apply to those centers they're fantasizing about playing the four. And this includes Landale. Even if you thought Thaddeus Young could play the four if you fed him more 3's, then I'm not sure you've watched a minute of Spurs basketball with him on the floor as there are so many occasions when the opponent has taken advantage of Young's lack of quickness due to old age.
Last edited by Dejounte; 12-31-2021 at 07:53 PM.
What was extremely weird was your uninformed assertion that Thad “can’t” shoot 3s.
The truth is, he can.
Be honest, as you begin the new year.
With Covid I think Spurs are keeping him for insurance
If you think shooting 35% on ~1.5 three point attempts is an indicator of someone who can shoot 3’s given the fact that that is the same percentage and 3 pt rate as DJ in his 2019-2020 season and DeMar last year when NO Spurs fan thought either player could shoot 3’s during those years, even to the point of ridiculing those two for being terrible 3 pt shooters…. then be my guest.
Yep, that’s somebody who “can” shoot 3s. Poeltl is somebody who can’t.
And you know it.
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