I think White's contract is fair so I probably under estimated his trade value; he does a little bit of everything on both sides of the ball. The 3pt shooting has been bad (and on decent volume) and he has had many opportunities to take over with players out, on an already low talented team etc and still looks timid. I don’t see him as a very good compliment to DJ in the back court. A better role might be 30 mins off the bench as a combo guard but I’d rather see Vassell get bigger minutes as the primary backup 2.
I’m absolutely not kidding about moving him for a bigger wing if something made sense. If White gets you in the conversation of Turner or Hield I’d think about.
I mean, your last sentence answers the whole basis for the Thad trade in my view. Since his option was declined, I consider Jalen filler so really the deal to be had is a first rounder to take on an extra year of Saric.
The spurs are right to wonder if a likely late 1st is worth that, or if there are better deals out there.
FRPs, even protected and likely late FRPs don’t trade for short term reasons anymore. Thad doesn’t move the needle for them this year and Saric will be back next year. The Suns are going to need that future FRP to close out CP3’s last years especially when Ayton’s deal kicks in. It is cheap labour.
if that deal is still on the table you absolutely pull the trigger if you are the Spurs. We should be considering every opportunity to rent cap space given this up coming free agency environment. PATFO has been fairly useless the last 5yrs but this move would be a no brainer so I really din’t think it is on the table.
If cheap labor in the immediate is the concern, spurs could also add Drew or KBD into the deal as far as I’m concerned. PHX will have the option to keep each next year at really low figures
Yeah I don't think it's about the cheap labor, it's about Phoenix's tax bill. They have $126 mil already committed to next season's payroll before they max out Ayton. They'll be deep in the luxury tax and Sarver's not likely to give them a blank check. Saric's contract + assets into cap space/TE will absolutely be on the table both at the trade deadline and in the summer. It'll be interesting to see whether they'll have to give a 1st or they'd be able to find a cheaper deal from some team, say for 2 or 3 seconds.
You can’t get a girl half pregnant. Between CP3, Booker, Ayton Max and Bridges they are going to have ~120mm locked up for through 2025. Cheap labour was the wrong term… cheap talent is more fitting. Clearing Saric, who will be back next year and considered a win now player at the expense of a first… I just don’t see it. Don’t know how deep the ownership’s pockets are but when you are that close to a le with a clear time horizon you don’t want to out think it.
I don't think that part is right. A team that trades for Jalen Smith would have Early Bird rights on him, and that allows a team to exceed the cap to sign him up to the greater of 175% of his previous salary ($8.2M) or 105% of the average salary ($10M) next year. I doubt he would command more than $10M given how Phoenix gave up on him so quickly, so the new team could reasonably expect to be able to re-sign him with Early Bird rights.
I do think his standalone trade value is minimal, but I could see a team with cap space being willing to take a flier on him in exchange for a top-59 protected second.
There are only 58 picks this year.
To me it seems like there are only 3 teams this year that are candidates for a go-all-in trade: Suns, Lakers and Nets. Suns and Lakers because key players are pushing 40 years old and the Nets because of the Harden contract situation. He can opt out after this year. I believe this is the reason we won't see a Simmons trade this year. If the Nets don't win the le (or at least make the Finals) Harden may opt out. Some team will make room for him and the Nets would probably then welcome a sign and trade for Simmons to salvage some value. The Kyrie situation makes the Nets a real wildcard. Their salaries are are very top heavy with Durant, Harden, Irving and Joe Harris accounting for $137 million. Patty Mills is their 5th highest paid player. I could see them look to shore up the point guard spot for home playoff games, but not much more. The Lakers really don't have anything left to trade of significance. The Suns w/ Sarver seem like the team to really roll the dice. Not only is Paul at the end of his effective playing time, but Sarver's tolerance for being in the luxury tax has proven to be very low in the past.
Have you SEEN how Smith played when Phoenix was forced to play him because of covid? He actually looks like a top 10 pick. If you want Smith, you DO NOT do that trade. Any team holding his contract when the season ends is constrained by the CBA to only be able to pay him $4.7M, what his offer would have been. Caproom is immaterial in that situation.
If you want smith, you let Thad roll off, or trade him elsewhere, and then make him an offer this summer into caproom when we’re one of the few teams with it. Then you get an asset from PHO to take Saric into the rest of your cap room. You essentially do half of the trade, later, so you can get Smith by paying him more than anyone else.
Phoenix ed up.
- Harden remains a lock to return in BK. Going all-in will be tough considering they have virtually no draft capital they can offer.
- Lakers going all in at most is some combo of THT/Monk/Nunn/far future FRP. Not very appealing. They don’t possess enough assets to offload Russ.
- Suns can probably just as easily upgrade their roster in the buyout market as we get closer to the deadlines.
Where Thad will have value is our ability to leverage his contract to facilitate other deals. Those deals don’t need ti be “all in” deals.
Cross off every possible max player in trade rumours for the Spurs for obvious reasons. Your 2nd/3rd tier possible players in-play, think - Jeremi Grant, Christian Wood, Sabonis, Turner, Hield etc are going to cost an FRP or a young asset and we would be silly to include that. We are also light on young ASSETs. Most of our guys are just young.
Prepare for a very quiet Spurs trade deadline.
John Hollinger from The Athletic, quoted in this link. Also mentioned in articles about a possible Boston trade.
https://247sports.com/college/maryla...tar-180291822/
The Suns are limited to re-signing Smith for more than the declined option: $4,670,160. They can’t pay more than that, even if they have the cap room to do so. That, obviously, makes it very easy for a rival team to bid higher. Additionally, the declined option is basically radioactive: Any new team acquiring Smith this year would be affected by the same rule. Thus, the Suns can’t get anything useful for Smith in a trade because the acquiring team would likely lose him after the season. (Unless he played badly, in which case, who cares.)
This is deep level capology of which I do not care to research. With that being said it seems silly to possess the cap space to sign a player you just traded for, have clear space to sign him at a fair market value and lose out to someone else who also has cap space because the terms were “radioactive.” Did he mean retroactive? There is a pretty low bar to be an internet sports journalist these days so just asking the question. Anyone with a twitter account and the ability to generate click bait can claim to be a professional.
at a team giving up a FRP for Poeltl/ Only on Spurstalk.
East Playoff teams:
CHI nope
MIA nope
BRKLN: Do they even have any picks?
MIL: Nope
Philly: Nope
CLE: Nope
CHA: Jordan is no longer the Gm so unfortunately no
TOR: They ain't trading back for him
West Playoff teams:
GState: nope
Phx: Nope
Memp: Nope
Utah: nope
Dallas: nope
Den: nope
LAL: have no picks
LAC: nope
Where is this miracle team that is willing to trade a FRP for Poeltl
I just actually read the article. Hollinger is one of the better ones so i’m also inclined to agree with you Ex. Interesting rule. Phoenix did that to themselves.
It’s a rule put in place specifically to keep teams from cir venting the rookie scale. Player A blows up in year one like Derrick Rose did. Wink wink deal to not pickup his option, and throw the bag at him after year 2, instead of him having to wait until after year 4 like the rest of his draft class.
Interesting, thanks for this.
Totally get the mechanics, and this really comes to what people think of Smith. I have not seen him play in months, at which time i thought PHX was wholly justified in declining option much like Spurs did with Lonnie. Seems like you think he is blowing it up now, so, yes, that would be a factor.
“During a six-game span beginning Dec. 27, he averaged 15.9 points and 9.6 rebounds on 53.5 percent shooting overall and 38.5 percent from 3-point range. And he only played more than 30 minutes in one of those games.”
Jakob haters rejoice. (I am not one)
TD 21 about to go offfffff
I'd do it if they give us a good offer...
Can’t see this happening during the season. Maybe this summer, depending on the draft and FAs.
However, Jak and LWIV for Anunoby works.
Thad, LW IV, Jones for Anunoby also works, if they’re willing to go smaller.
Basically, they should have just given us Anunoby in the first place, and they wouldn’t be in this predicament.
Last edited by exstatic; 01-14-2022 at 03:16 PM.
They’re also linked to Miles Turner, and apparently in talks to send OG there in exchange.
Say what you want about Jak, but his contract has to be one of the best in the league. Not Dort good, but good.
^ just saying, Jak, Drew, KBD for OG works…
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