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Don’t even go that far. Watch Landale last night and how he box-out Zubac early. The man battles for every possession. Just night and day.
yeah, this is something that doesn't show up in the stat sheet.
Don’t even go that far. Watch Landale last night and how he box-out Zubac early. The man battles for every possession. Just night and day.
Not really he's legitimate enough on offense outside of free-throws that they get themselves into real foul trouble playing hack-a at the end of the first three quarters and you put in The Aussie to close the fourth.
Zubac had 5 offensive rebounds and Clippers as a team had 21way to make a point
Cleveland, with 3 seven footers, had 12.
Poeltl has 17.8 DRB% ( and this is with everyone boxing out for Murray to get rebounds from free throw misses like a mini OKC Westbrook ). Landale's is 10.7.
Beeg, you're my homie, but I've gotta point of order you. Individual DRB% does not speak to how well players box out. That would be reflected in on/off DRB%. Poeltl's actually negative in that regard at -1.8 and SOB is positive at plus 3. As a total, the Spurs rebound almost the exact same whether Poeltl is on the floor or not but rebound way better during Jock's minutes than usual.Zubac had 5 offensive rebounds and Clippers as a team had 21
Cleveland, with 3 seven footers, had 12.
Poeltl has 17.8 DRB% ( and this is with everyone boxing out for Murray to get rebounds from free throw misses like a mini OKC Westbrook ). Landale's is 10.7.
There are definitely factors that might explain some of the difference, but the math doesn't bear out Poeltl being the more effective guy at keeping opposing bigs off the offensive glass.
Fair, my bad about DRB% Still, Landale's definitely not a very good defensive rebounder. Much better on the offensive end like Poeltl.
I'm sure Grandpas cognitive BBIQ powers will implement that starting soon.
Leverage is a lost word with the whole Kawhi situation apparently.
Lmfao good god
Waiting for Jak to Warriors buzz.
Jak + DET SRP for Wiseman!
Wouldn’t even attach the SRP. Straight up take it or leave it.
Yes, Poeltl to Golden State is too obvious not to get rumored. I bet Spurs would ask for Wiseman + GS '22 first.
In the big picture, my preference is to see the front office trade all of its win-now vets (White, Poeltl, McDermott, Young, and Forbes) for the best value possible and essentially strip the team down to Murray, Vassell, and Primo, with Johnson, Walker, and Collins tbd. Tear down all at once (as in, this trade deadline + offseason). 2022 free agent class doesn't seem great for the Spurs, so I think the team should be open to taking on short term money (expiring in '23 is ideal) if it would allow them to acquire better draft assets.
In this scenario the Spurs front office optimizes the team's '22 and '23 lottery and prioritizes around Murray, Vassell, and Primo. What could get the team get for White, Poeltl, McDermott, Young, and Forbes?
White: two FRPs or or FRP plus a good young player. Some obvious trade targets here, such as Cleveland. Rubio + 2 FRPs? Atlanta could offer FRPs and/or Jalen Johnson. Chicago = Pat Williams + FRP. Boston?
Poeltl: single promising young player or FRPs (one if projected in teens or early 20s, two if projected 26-30); from Toronto Birch + Achiuwa + FRP (because extra salary)?
McDermott: late FRP or two SRPs projected in the 30s. McDermott would be a playoff rotation guy for every contender.
Young: FRP IF taking some modest salary back, two SRPs if taking expiring back. The Suns deal would have already happened, if it was going to happen. After Suns, the Bulls are probably his best fit, but that would require Young is traded elsewhere and waived. So I'm not really sure where he lands. I'm afraid he'll get bought out.
Forbes: late FRP or 2 meaningful SRPs or some young player who is a probable bust but the Spurs see some reason for hope
In aggregate, if the Spurs moved all of the team's win-now vets they could probably net 3-4 FRPs, a couple SRPs, and maybe an intriguing young player. The team would improve its lottery odds in '22 and '23, adding whomever they get in those drafts to a Murray, Primo, and Vassell core. Murray, Primo, and Vassell would start and get all the minutes they need to develop chemistry and improve. And the team would have cap space and lots of picks to package with Johnson or Walker should the right player hit the trade demand market.
The other option is to package McDermott + Young + draft compensation (including picks acquired for White/Poeltl/Forbes) + Johnson for a star. But that player doesn't appear on the market and would have to fit the age profile of Murray, Primo, and Vassell. This option is like waiting on a unicorn. Too improbable. I prefer the strategy that opportunistically resets around the young core.
I like the strategy but you are over valuing all of these guys big time. White/Jak are not worth multiple picks. 1FRP or young player at most.
I agree with you on Poeltl. 1 FRP or young player. I don't think Wiseman is very good. I think we agree on Poeltl's value and disagree on Wiseman.
On White, I can't see how his value would be less than 2 FRPs or 1 FRP and a young player.
You don't think McDermott or Young are worth 2 SRPs?
McD and Thad are but you have to take salary back. I’m confident no one is lining up to offer much for D White. A a late FRP and an average young player and will have to eat a bad contract I bet. I’d still do it to make room for Primo/Vassell
Not directly related, but the Hawks front office has a lot of options. They have Collins, and they could package a FRP with both Okongwu and Johnson. For example, I could see them sending a FRP and Okongwu to Detroit for Jerami Grant or sending a FRP and Johnson to Spurs for Derrick White. Or some package like Collins and Okongwu to Spurs for White, Keldon Johnson, and Young or McDermott.
Ideally, but I think they’re still very emotionally attached and haven’t reached sunk cost territory. The pick helps. My hope is the there is at least one more Suns game before the deadline where Ayton exposes their gap at the Looney minutes.
If we could get okongwu without giving up much I would go for it. I dont know what they would need but would not be willing to give up any of our 1st for him. I also think they still value him so dont think it will be easy to get him.
While I'd definitely do the Collins trade with Atl it negates the whole premise you offered up. Collins and Okongwu coming here is a win now package and not a tear down. Personally, I'd rather see that kind of move than a complete teardown.
Add Forbes for Tre and call it a deal
Honestly the Spurs should make a move to add a long term piece. They got 40 Million in cap space next season, in a free agency class that‘s pure garbage
Poeltl for Wiseman makes so much sense. But spurs would want a pick. And they deserve it. Poeltl on warriors are very win now. Wiseman could be a better player in the future. Which is why i would welcome it. Who's my starting center in 3 years time when spurs are hopefully in the playoffs again? I think Wiseman is that future center.
Our FRPs the next 2-3yrs are too valuable to be doing that. We need to get better at renting cap space however. Going into another weak free agency period with 30mm in cap space is a risk with this front office. Can see us having another offseason of bad moves where we overpay a couple of vets like we did McLovin.
Nearly 1/2 our cap space (~55mm) this year was spent on Thad, Aminu, Carrol, Luka, McLovin, Forbes and Zollins. When you consider that, a contract like Tobias Harris’ looks like good value.
Why would you trade one of the best defensive centers in the league for a guy who has a middle school understanding of basketball and is going to wind up way more expensive?
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