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you will never be able to teach poeltl's soft-ness out of him.
trade him.
you will never be able to teach poeltl's soft-ness out of him.
the difference is rasho had td.
I wouldn‘t trade Poeltl for Wiseman. I‘d move him if we can somehow get Myles Turner or a starting PF like Grant. Otherwise keep him. That DJ/Poeltl pick & roll is deadly and I doubt that just about anybody can replace him.
Landale can roll just as well as Poeltl, and hit the FTs if he’s fouled.
Not trading Poeltl for by all accounts the exact player the spurs were targeting in the draft?
Not only that, but neither Poeltl nor Murray are particularly good PnR players. Having highlights here and there isn't the same thing as being elite. Both are right around league average in terms of their respective effectiveness. Landale is a MUCH better roll-man, and White and Walker are both significantly better scorers as the handlers. Is there a missing gap from how effective other players are off the motion, like spot-up shooters? Yes. But this is just another example of many STers not understanding how pedestrian Poeltl actually is. Unless they think the Spurs have a chance to compete for a playoff spot next season, there's zero reason to care about his contract. That he's a "bargain" is one of the least significant things, and too many folks here think it's some ironclad reason to keep him.
At best, it's as dumb as not selling your plot of land that has oil under it because,:
"Well do you know how money a company can make from pumping out this oil? It's too valuable to sell."
"Do you have the ability to pump that oil and process it?"
"No..."
"..."
"But think how much money a company can make from pumping out this oil. We can't sell it. It's too valuable."
Except oil land will remain valuable until it's pumped out, and Poeltl's contract only lends him value for another season-and-a-half before completely disappearing. And this is of course ignoring the question of how much of a bargain Jakob actually is anyway.
Last edited by Chinook; 01-19-2022 at 10:52 AM.
you will never be able to teach poeltl's soft-ness out of him.
Talk about soft.
Only reason I could tolerate him was because he used to piss Stephen A Smith off.
That is so dumb. Gladly take Wiseman for Poodle. I’ll even throw in Bonnie Walker IV with him.
In all seriousness, I do think we’d have to add more in a hypothetical Jakob-Wiseman swap.
Why? What has Wiseman done to warrant add ons?
It's all about perception imo. The optics of trading away the #2 pick so soon after the draft for a player who probably isn't perceived to be any better (even though he is) are something many teams would avoid.
I don't know the Warriors' mindset here, of course. Didn't the Kings ask a ton for Bagley because he was the #2 pick?
Could be the case. On the other hand, Poetl would be a great fit for them and is up and running now, no need to wait for development and they have only so many more Seth/Klay/Draymond years left.
Agreed, I'd trade him for Wiseman in a second. But not for a first round pick in the 18+ range like so many others seem to want unless it's draft day and the Spurs have someone they love who has slipped that low (eg like when they kept trying to trade up to get Parker in 2001).
Look at the GS organization. Now, look at the Kings. They constantly overplay their hand,and are stuck on a treadmill of awfulness. They should have taken whatever offers they had for Bagley, because he’s just not very good. He put up decent numbers as a rookie, didn’t improve them the next two seasons, and has taken a clear step back this year.
As an aside, that was an awful draft class. A full FIVE PLAYERS are not on an NBA roster, and chandler Hutchison was ineligible for an extension since he was waived, and signed by another team after clearing waivers. Picks 1 and 2 didn’t receive an extension.
1. John Collins
2. Lauri Markkanen
3. Ben Simmons
4. Wiseman
I swear the kiddies on this board just swarm after the next shiny expensive bauble like a bunch of six year olds on a soccer pitch. , I remember when people were obsessed with Corey Maggette. Honestly, it's kind of sweet how y'all rumble off with your little legs pumping over the grass rushing after the latest dreamboat player. Lawls.
As noted by others, its about GSW's perception of him, staffing investments theyve made in him, idea of him/Kuminga/Moody being the next group up, etc. Rationally its a clearer call, but i still think they're a season away from accepting the sunk cost.
I wouldnt do a legit 1st, of course, but maybe something like the DET pick or one of those "fake FRPs" that turn into two seconds if they dont convey after a few cycles.
Points taken. I just know that a lot of people, and evidently some front offices (like the Kings), get caught up in a player's draft slot even after the draft. The Warriors should be smart enough to not fall for that, but even good FOs make dumb decisions sometimes. It's a variant of the sunk cost fallacy.
I disagree, 2018 was an SOLID draft class with good combo of stars and solid role players: Ayton, Doncic, JJJ, Trae Young, Shai, both Bridges, Sexton, Porter Jr., Huerter, Brunson.
While cheapo Sarver didnt extend Ayton, of course he's going to get his max THIS summer.
SAC really screwed up.
You're sitting here defending not taking any chances with a team that is currently going to struggle to hit 30 wins. I'm not even sure why you have John Collins and Simmons on that list. I'd trade Jak for either of those 2 straight up in a heartbeat. Wiseman isn't in the same category, but still a worthwhile gamble.
I think Jak is a good player, but what the is the difference of finishing with 27 wins vs 31? Thats about what Jak gets you over a replacement level center and you're acting like he's some untradeable piece that people are insane to be looking to trade. Its such a stupid mindset.
The Spurs should have absolutely offered Collins a max contract. Considering that everyone else was going to be part of a trade, the one guy who was free makes obvious sense. If the Spurs end up buying out Thad, they will be at more than $33 Million in dead salary. If they also waive Hernangomez, they'll be over $40 Million. And for that, they'd have 1 first and four seconds to show for it. Using about half that to go from Zach Collins to John Collins or using even less and not having the McDermott trade means most of those picks could have still been part of the team's trove. So many people are hand-wringing over Murray not having help, and they had a chance to get some while keeping all of their picks and young players.
Mark sucks, and only people who are stuck in the past and think of him as a combo-forward even pretended to want him.
Simmons is Simmons. He's his own thread and not worth tanking another one talking about.
Wiseman is hardly a new shiny bauble considering he was the most rumored target for the Spurs to get in a LMA trade. Do I think going from the Spurs having no chance at drafting him even if they liquidated their picks and young players to people credibly arguing he's not worth taking for free is a sign of how far he's fallen? Yes. The skepticism isn't unwarranted. But I'd much rather trade a guy like Poeltl for him than use a lotto pick on a dude like Poke, and so many people loved that idea. The Spurs should absolutely be looking to rehab the value of guys like Wiseman. They don't have to commit to using their picks on them, but they can afford to take steps back in their play in order to see if something's there. That's if they ever liked him during the draft. If he wasn't one of their BPA, then they should let him go.
In general, a team lacking talent at a crossroads with their roster is going to be constantly faced with decisions on how aggressively they should look to change their situation. You'll have to get used to this type of discussion, because the Spurs aren't likely to be a contender any time soon.
IMO, it takes a Paolo Banchero type pick and a Zach Lavine signing to put the Spurs back in contention. Not even saying that’s likely to happen, but two big moves for talent such as those are as easy as it gets. They just have to get lucky. And to be honest, I’m high on a couple other prospects that could send the Spurs far on the right path.
Agreed.
Banchero/Smith fill an immediate need if we are lucky in the lottery and we can have 30-50mm in cap the next few off seasons to try and hit on a max FA if we play our cards right. In the meantime keep developing young players, no long term deals or loyalty contracts that can’t easily be moved and rent your cap space out for draft capital where appropriate.
Something most won’t agree with is to opportunistically sell our developed talent along the way. White and Jak shiuld be flipped for future assets if the chance arises. They aren’t long term building blocks anymore, they are win now role players who can be replaced internally or in free agency.
Tbh White and Jak would be perfect behind a big 3 of Banchero, Lavine, and Murray. Those two would be the top two role players in the NBA playing behind talent like that.
I just don’t think Lavine or anyone else is in the cards this offseason and I’m not ready ti send out multiple players and 3 FRPs for a top tier player just yet.
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