DJM actually leads the team in Deffered Rebound Chances per game. He along with Jakob both average 1.3 differed rebounds per game. Thats the exact opposite of what you would see if he was stat chasing. Honestly that one stat should put all this to bed.
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/re...mID=1610612759
In the era of 3 point shooting, there are a lot more long rebounds into space. Most of those will be uncontested.
Call me when DJ starts elbowing his teammates to get boards, and scowling at them when denied. I’ve never seen a teammate work to get out of his way and give him a board, and that happened all the time with Russ in OKC.
Well, not when you are "rebound hunting".
Murray is a PG, he usually guards opossing PGs. PGs are usually the first to get back on defense when a shot is put up. When your man is the farthest away from your basket, but you are still the closest one to the rebound, well, you are "rebounding hunting" a bit.
I mean if he does that, he's essentially a top 5 player in the league. I don't expect him to do that, although I'm constantly revising my ceiling upwards for him based on his play. I am happy with the heights DJM has achieved. I don't think, and I'm pretty sure most here don't, that he'll ever be the kind of player who is a perfect #1 option or even a preffered #1 option. I love DJM and I think he's a star now and I think he's got an it factor that is we haven't seen in a player since the big 3 but its pretty undeniable that he's not the most efficient. I think thats OK though. I do think improve, and I think him having a legitimate second star around him would do wonders. But yes, I hope he continue to improve on his shooting.
The fact that our PG is in position to grab and "defer" as many rebounds as our center doesn't sound weird to you?
I have zero doubts the Spurs scheme around Murray being a good rebounder. I think you see how this played out where his defensive rebounds keyed a break.Great stuff. Especially the parts showing that "uncontested" doesn't necessarily mean that there were any other Spurs players around.
Another consideration: Pop might tell Murray to position himself for rebounds and other players to get going in transition once it looks like there's an easy defensive rebound. That could artificially inflate Murray's rebound numbers, but it would be because of coaching and a game plan (the Spurs play much faster than they have in the past) rather than selfishness.
Do you consider Jrue Holiday a Top 5 player in the league? Because he does more or less what I said there.
not if they just drove through the lane for either a layup or a drive and kick. once the shot is up you look for the rebound when on defense. You dont automatically assume you will get the rebound. You are also supposed to keep an eye on your man in case they stay on offense.
But DJ is also a top defensive PG in virtually all aspects of that side of the ball, including *cough* rebounding.
No. The team is making use of the tools that it has. Murray is an elite rebounder and thus they likely scheme to put him in a position over others. However, if DJM was doing it just for stat purposes, he wouldn't be deferring.
if we look at on/off numbers, we can see the team rebounds better when Murray is on the court.
https://www.pbpstats.com/on-off/nba/...ayerId=1627749
DReb%
With Murray - .744
Wihout .709
OReb%
With Murray - .271
Wihout - .267
Jrue doesn't shoot at .6 Historically he's way lower than that. I do think Jrue is a good comparison to Dejonte and I actually think Dejonte is an overall better player than him. He shoots worse but he's as good defensively with more steals, a better rebounder, and a better passer. If Dejonte elevated his TS to Jrue's level, he would not be Top 5, but he'd be in the top 15 or so.
He's shooting .574 which is around the .6 I talked about.
I would give my left nut to take all the rebounds Murray averages and give them to him in form of TS% decimals. He would be a beast and the Spurs a playoff team.
Murray shares his minutes with Poeltl. Also, it is obvious that Murray is an above rebounder for a PG. That doesn't mean he doesn't stat pad, tbh.
About the scheming thing, I just don't see it.
Yeah, so?
You guys are butthurt because I think Murray stat pads a bit? Ok, forget about it.
Let's say he doesn't stat pad. My point is this: I don't value high volume PG rebounding. It isn't a vital tool for a team. So I don't care that he averages almost a triple double. I would prefer he'd be more efficient offensively. That's what I think keeps him from being a true all-star. He needs to take that TS% to, at least, a league average number. 19 ppg on 18 shots just doesn't cut it.
There. Can we all agree on that?
i agree that the rebounds arent something i get that excited about, generally (sometimes he does go and grab a great contested board, but the triple double numbers arent something i care too much about other than it being nice for him to get publicity)
the spurs are #24 in defensive rebound %, and #9 in offensive rebound percentage... and murray's doesnt really provide much impact with offensive rebounds (im sure there are highlights). he averages 1.3 ORB per game as opposed to 7.1 DRB... as opposed to poeltl who averages 4 ORB and 5 DRB, he actually provides a huge impact on the offensive glass
tl;dr... a vast majority of dejounte's rebounding is on the defensive side of the ball, where the spurs are at the bottom quartile of the league, so im not sure his rebounding numbers are really helping us win. the assists are much more encouraging
He goes too little to the line for a 1st option. The one good thing our young guys could have copied from DeRozan.
DJM is long and athletic. And he’s a PG who wants to push the ball. Naturally he will get the ball immediately including rebounding. I don’t have problem with DJM rebounding, and yes there would be times his teamsmates would let him grab one or two if he’s close to getting s triple-double. That’s what teammates do.
What I have problem is when he gambles too much for a steal and he gets burn. I think that happened last night with his guy eventually going for uncontested layup. I don’t mind cohercing and getting a steal or turnover. But there are times better defense demands to just stay in front and prevent them from scoring.
Who the else is going to rebound if Murray doesn’t? McBuckets? White? KBD? KJ as an undersized 4? Like seriously besides Poeltl who is this big rebounding machine out there that crashes the boards and helps out on that end? The only reason why he has that many rebounds isn’t bc he’s stat padding it’s bc our PF is like 6’4 or a end of the bench player like KBD
DJ is tied for 26th in the league in scoring BUT he does have some concerning stats imo
He’s 99th in the league at FTA per game
127th in the league at made 3pointers per game
There is still a lot of room to grow and I hope makes those next steps.
This is what I wanna post too. Looking at the rest of the Spurs all average lower than 1 meaning no one really "snatch" their rebound.
I haven't seen enough games to justify the following, but in my impression
Murray seems to get the stats by playing the game: scores, but is not a gunner; rebounds, but doesn't chase rebounds; assists but doesn't chase assists.
Westbrook is a stat chaser and triple double scoreboard watcher. When Westbrook is at 9 late in the game, Westbrook tries for 10.
If Murray did that, Pop would bench him.
As far as I can tell, Murray plays the end of the 4th without regard to whats needed for the double/triple double.
I also believe Pop mentioned in pre-season that Murray might rebound more to quicken the pace. Westbrook's aggressive rebounding early in his career was designed for fast breaks.
In many cases, the other team.
This whole bit about Murray and rebounding is one of the stupidest discussions that has ever occurred on this forum. And it’s a forum that’s seen a lot of stupid discussions.
Guys, if a player has any chance for a rebound it is his JOB to grab the dam thing, if he can. Geez. Anybody who imagines otherwise is just a clueless dipstick who is not to be taken seriously.
Especially since the Spurs are one of the teams who relies on gang rebounding more than most, and due to that we are top 5 in rebounding currently.
Pop has always placed a focus on rebounding, and even though Poeltl is good on the boards, he can't do it all by himself.
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