Hield really brings nothing else to the table except the long ball. 3-4 seasons ago, he was shooting 43% over a span of 2 seasons. That’s dangerous. Now, he’s shooting 38%. Still sounds good, but the difference in those two percentages over 100 shots is 15 points, which is quite a plunge. 43% is 129 points, and 38% is 114 points. That makes it less easy to overlook his other average or non-existent skills. I hate Bagley, and his QO to retain restricted FA status will be astronomical, tying up cap room. Lonnie’s is over $11M, and he was the #18 pick in that draft. Bagley was #2. I’d rather see if we can get Smith, let Lonnie walk, and Keep White, who would be a great PnR partner with Smith.
I also doubt the Spurs would send Thad to a bottom feeder, even though he’s been vocally complaining most of the season.
I’d hope the change of scenery could help Hield improve his game. His 3pt % has dropped but his attempts have doubled so not that concerning and when he is hot he is lights out. I’m drawn to the array of 3pt shooting ability so he doesn’t always need the ball in his hands to be effective from beyond the arch.
Good point on Bagley’s QO - it’s 14.7mm so quite steep and he is unlikely to fetch that away. We’d have the cap space to sign him either way so no need to even offer him the QO.
I wouldn't trade White for Hield, and Bagley's RFA rights are useless as a sweetener. I would have considered Thad for Bagley earlier in the season, but I'd hope there's something better now.
Not a fan of Hield... his advanced stats are almost always upside down and he's older than White. White is probably better at everything other than 3pt shooting, plus Hield plays the same position as Primo-- why put another guy in the way there? White can play both guard positions and plausibly be part of a very flexible future rotation with Primo & Murray. I don't think Hield has the same flexibility. It seems what the Spurs are trying to do with Primo right now by having him work on his PG skills in the G League is to specifically lead him away from being a Hield type of player.
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_...&p2yrfrom=2022
Fair point on Primo although I think we are a few years away from seeing him in the starting lineup.
You don’t trade White for Hield. Without White our defense goes down the drain. He just really needs to work on his 3-point shooting
White’s D is serially underrated league wide i’ll concede. I’m not holding my breath for his offensive game, especially 3pt shooting to get any better however and his eventual replacement is probably already on the roster in Primo. Hield might not be the answer but I do hope White is being opportunistically shopped.
Yeah, Walker and Young hopefully shipped out in a decent trade. Then praying we get a high draft pick and depending on who we draft with our three picks maybe get better replacement player for Eubanks and Tre.
As far as White it’s all about the right Trade if the right ones comes across you do it but not for some old vet
White tied with McLovin’ for most 3pt shots per game @5.2 shooting a miserable 29.9% however.
Now that ATL is shopping him, when are all the John Collins enthusiasts from this summer going to come out and call for a White-Collins trade?
this guy is just as bad as fat head
I wonder if he can go the whole season <30% on 5, 3pt shots a game. That would be really impressive. If we can get a legit SF this offseason I think it’s only a matter of time before Vassell/Primo push White out.this guy is just as bad as fat head
I remain a seller.
White will be our sixth man ideally….. he’s valuable in that roll like manu
More valuable in a trade to me. In the next few years my hope is Primo starts at the 2 and Vassell, Keldon and Tre can backup the 1-3 spots if we can find a decent SF.
Collins?
Unless it's a trade involving a star, trading White would be a mistake in my opinion. White's consistently a net positive player & the consummate glue guy-- some of his advanced stats are even better than Murray's right now, despite the fact that Murray's having a career year. Keldon is shooting an incredible (and probably unsustainable) three point percentage while White has so far had a subpar three point shooting season, and White still has a greater positive impact when on the floor. Murray & White aren't the issue. The issue is two starting forwards who can't out-rebound the two starting guards, and who as a tandem are not very strong defensively.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...layer-ratings/
White and Tre are the only really good PnR distributors. While DJ has improved, he can still only make basic reads, and often forces the ball, instead of hitting a perimeter shooter or pulling up himself.
I really don't whether to be happy or cry. Our second best rebounder is our starting PG and our second best interior defender is our starting SG.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...lum-grant-more
If Atlanta are interested in Derrick, PATFO needs to make this happen.Atlanta placed a call to San Antonio about Derrick White, sources said. The Spurs and Mavericks have been considered Collins suitors dating back to the 2020 offseason.
Derrick is an elite defender, one of the top 5 guards in the league.
And he is competent and a plus on offense despite his putrid shooting this year.
You don't just give that away for Buddy f'n Hield.
I'm good with trading him for real value
Spurs talk… I won’t trade White for anything less than 2 FRP and a young asset but would consider Walker, Thad and Eubanks plus a 2nd.
In all seriousness White, Thad and Detroit’s 22 SRP is a nice starting point. Add Jak is required. Ppl need to realize when we hit free agency this summer with no one to sign that 35mm will inevitably go to guys like Joe Ingles and 4 more 2m/yr
g-leaguers.
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White's only problem is his inconsistency with his 3pt shooting. If he ever finds a way to fix that, he would be a beast.
2FRP and a player? Morey, is that you?
White is turning 28 soon, he's injury prone and inconsistent.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good player, but he doesn't fit the timeline or current roster.
A coupe of years ago I thought DJ will be the one to go eventually, but he improved and Derrick didn't. He's more or less the same player he was back then and he surely won't make any significant improvements at 28.
All-NBA level defender, good bball iq, but limited physically and not a reliable shooter. We can't afford both our starting guards to be bad shooters.
DJ is looking like our franchise guy and long term Derrick can't start next to him. I'm not saying we should trade him away for peanuts, but Collins is just what this team needs.
He's not a superstar or even that much better than Derrick, but a player of his profile would benefit everyone else.
We don't have a single actual PF on the roster if you exclude Thad who's on the trade block.
Collins is also a better 3pt shooter than Derrick and a great rebounder. Not good enough to be the first option, but he fits with any roster and gets his.
DJ would benefit from better spacing, Jakob would benefit from another good rebounder and Keldon would hugely benefit from not having to pretend he's the next Barkley.
I wouldn't give them any picks with Derrick, just salary filler.
We've got a ton of cap space and signing a big FA is highly unlikely. It also doesn't look like anyone better would be available in FA.
Again, I wouldn't trade Derrick away at any cost, but if Hawks' offer is reasonable, Collins is a perfect fit for this roster. Especially if Jakob gets another contract.
It’s a really big problem. 29.5% on a team leading 5.2 attempts her game. <42% FG% over all. Passive and unable to step up on the offensive end when called upon. He would be a great 6 man… on another team.
Im all for tradeing white but am not big on collins at the amount he makes. This is one of the cases of people see his name and think he is good. I would rather have boucher. He does the same and is much cheaper. He is a little older though.
I did come up with a trade I liked that I think Atl might also do.
https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine
They get the guard they want as well as another shooter and young to be a big off the bench, They also go from Tax paying team to non ta paying team. Collins is the only starter they lose but if they have been looking to trade him they might be open to it. They also get rid of Gallos contract.
Spurs do it as It gets them 2 younger bigs. gets them to see if they like OO. He is a little short for Center but has played well when gotten the time. I would also be willing to send Poeltl for Knox in a seperate trade since he cannot be included in the trade. I would not include any picks in this trade.
edit. Spurs could send Jacob to tor tor sends boucher to atl and we get knox. I dont want knox but this is to make atl more into it. would make them better give them a PF. Also tor might include some other asses/pick.
A lot of this would have to do with how much do they want white and how much do they want to get rid of collins. Dont think either of these would be high enough to make the trade work though.
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