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7 mil is not even the mid level; the dude has a chance to restart his career. He seems skilled but maybe some good coaching does the trick
Nothing to lose by giving him a shot but have to decide by June 30th to pick up his option and guarantee his 2022-23 salary of 7mm. I don’t know the rules around if we can cut him and resign him in. the offseason for less. I’m also getting fed up with all these deep end of the bench signings. Eubanks, Landale, KBD potentially Juancho the list goes on.
7 mil is not even the mid level; the dude has a chance to restart his career. He seems skilled but maybe some good coaching does the trick
Problem is it’ll take him half the season to earn some minutes.7 mil is not even the mid level; the dude has a chance to restart his career. He seems skilled but maybe some good coaching does the trick
I’m very confident he will be waived before June 30th. That 14 game stretch in Minny is nice and all but pretty small sample size. 7mm isn’t alot I know but there is likely a much better use of the cap space. Getting pretty tired of these end of the bench singings and misuse of cap.
This year >50mm or ~45% of our cap space was used on the following players (compensation we received for it):
- Thad, 14mm (no contribution to team and buyout probable)
- Aminu, 10mm (bought out, fair to equate the 2 SRPs in the DDR trade to eating his salary)
- Carrol, 1.7mm (~20mm total bought out 2yrs prior for >90 cents on the dollar)
- Huthison, 4mm (waived, early 22 SRP for 4mm = fair return)
- Luka, 3mm (paying him to play elsewhere)
- Forbes, 4.5mm (far out SRP and optionality on Juanco = fair return)
- McDermott, 13.8mm (3yr/42mm was probably an overpayment, jury still out)
When Spurs fans talk about the great contracts our 3 best players are on: DJ (15mm), Jak (9mm) and to a lesser extent White (15.4mm) they should remember where those savings are going.
Last edited by KingKev; 01-23-2022 at 07:12 AM.
^ based on your list above, seems that outside of the Carrol blunder and Luka situation that the returns aren’t that terrible.
Another way to look at it, the space produced: 1 FRP and 4 SRP, with Thad situation TBD.
Also, wasnt there a favorable pick swap in the McDermott deal?
I suspect there is a better chance than most here believe that he will stay on beyond this year, especially if Thad is bought out.7 mil is not even the mid level; the dude has a chance to restart his career. He seems skilled but maybe some good coaching does the trick
I personally like the idea of carrying an expiring 7M-10M for potential trade ballast next year. It’s a reason I don’t mind carrying Sarics deal in that hypothetical Thad trade either.
2026 SRP swap with Indy. No real way to value this but in my eyes a below average return for 50mm in cap. I see the FRP as compensation for giving up DDR.
Agree on Saric but he is a much better player than Juan. Curious why you think Thad being bought out makes Juan more likely to be retained next year?
Maybe it’s a stretch, but if Thad gets bought out I can see them keeping their lone “traditional PF” next year whose gotten at least some run already with the guys. If/when free agent signing (or rookie) surpasses him, he can be moved or relegated to a better role.
(As an aside, I think the Keldon at PF thing has proven to be a failure this year).
I don’t really see how Thad’s situation effects Juan’s likelihood of being retained as regardless of Thad being bought out, traded to finishing the season with us he won’t be back next year.
Keldon as a 4 has not been ideal and he needs to play the majority of time at the 3 in my
opinion. Poor roster construction and Pop’s fetish with small (poor 3pt shooting small ball nonetheless) the last 3 years has had guys playing out of position. Vassell is another who should be strictly a 2/3.
He played for Ime Udoka in Boston. I imagine Pop asked for his feedback on him.
He seems like a hustle guy, I think got an offensive rebound and tried to save a possession. Again his international background fits Spurs culture. We can never have enough mobile big who can shoot outside. With the way Spurs play defense, Pop can put another fresh legs in the 3rd, and keep the starting unit fresh to close the 4th.
Yeah, remember when we all thought the Parker/Mills back courts were too small? Good times. A lot of this team's problems revolve around Pop not realizing that the SF position is basically a "big guard" but for the PF position you need someone with the size and strength to play on the interior, at least 6'8". Seriously, if we simply played Thad at the 4, a lot of these problems go away.
Thad has no lateral speed to chase mobile 4. Besides Thad was never meant to stay, but a trade piece that has not gotten through.
Well, they cut Chriss immediately, so I’m not sure what there was to say about him. He had the rep as a dumbass, and he was injured. Totally different situation to JHG, who may stick for the year, or may be shipped out in another deal. Since he came alone from BOS, not in a group of players, he could be packaged and sent out before the deadline.
Believe it’s 60 days before he could be packaged from I've read so unfortunately he can’t be packaged before the deadline.
No minutes for Juancho tonight against Philly. I understand he needs to learn the system but there is no chance this guy sticks.
I dont think the guy is stayin past this season
I think that’s only when you’re traded from one team to another in a group of players to begin with. He arrived alone from Boston. Denver could hypothetically flip Forbes again, if they wanted, even with other players. Only Boston is limited in this deal since they received two players. If they weren’t injured, they could move both players individually, but not repackage them with other players.
I’ve read multiple sources saying he can not be aggregated for 60 days unless that trade would clear without including him at that point he can be aggregated. Here are a few:
https://airalamo.com/posts/spurs-ans...deshow-top-bar
https://www.hoopsaddict.com/nba-trad...ust_Traded_For
One of the main pundits who follow the Spurs said something similiar on twitter when the trade went down and I came across an article directly referencing the CBA regarding an Avery Bradley trade a few years back saying he could not be aggregated if traded again within 60 days.
Last edited by KingKev; 01-24-2022 at 12:18 PM.
Hmmm. OK.
Can’t see too many scenarios where we’d need to aggregate with Thad but with Walker and/or Eubanks would have been nice.
As you can probably tell I’m pretty anxious for PATFO to show some savvy in the coming months. I’m obviously not privy to what goes on behind closed doors but they seem lackluster in this rebuild, almost as if they were forced to rebuild as none of the vets wanted to come back.
I’m sure they’re working the phones. Most trades just happen on deadline day, especially if they involve value, and not finances. Front offices don’t want to rush, and miss a better trade that could have happened.
Agreed. The Bryn, even though minor trade was a great sign we’ve turned a corner in terms of commitment to the rebuild I think.
I think he looks alright. Moves well without the ball. Adds some size. Seems pretty heady out there.
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