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    What needs to be factored in here is that Zelensky won the election in 2019 with big support from ethnic Russian voters on an electoral platform that sought improvement of relations with Russia and a settlement in Donbass.


    Of course, after coming to power, under immense pressure from the rightwing Ukrainian nationalists who commanded street power and manipulation behind the scenes by Western powers, Zelensky changed course and began pursuing anti-Russian policies.


    Zelensky realises that he is certain to be the fall guy if the current tense standoff with Russia leads to a war. The tragedy is that he is no longer in control of the contact line with Donbas where US mercenaries are present. His priority will be to see another day and retrieve the lost political ground before the election in 2024.

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    Ukraine in a few decades won't be a sovereign nation, let alone a democracy; it will be a geriatric ward supported by a dwindling flow of remittances.
    https://menafn.com/1103594576/Ukrain...-man-of-Europe

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    What I don't understand is why would Russia keep their boodle in this country's banking to be sanctioned when we get our feelings out of kilter? Christ, just put it in Switzerland.

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    What I don't understand is why would Russia keep their boodle in this country's banking to be sanctioned when we get our feelings out of kilter? Christ, just put it in Switzerland.
    Swiss got into trouble for this and taking $ from a bunch of drug lords and pathetic rulers from ruined countries hoarding blood money.
    Swiss are no angels in this stuff. They got called on it.

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    What I don't understand is why would Russia keep their boodle in this country's banking to be sanctioned when we get our feelings out of kilter? Christ, just put it in Switzerland.
    You mean the oligarchs and Putin, not Russia.
    Just like some of our elites put money into offshore accounts. Like Trump. Except its to hide wealth. So you can suffer with your taxes.

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    Swiss got into trouble for this and taking $ from a bunch of drug lords and pathetic rulers from ruined countries hoarding blood money.
    Swiss are no angels in this stuff. They got called on it.
    You mean the oligarchs and Putin, not Russia.
    Just like some of our elites put money into offshore accounts. Like Trump. Except its to hide wealth. So you can suffer with your taxes.
    Understood, peeg.

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    Disingenuous article. The whole of Europe faces the same demographic crisis. Ukraine isn't even the worst one.

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    Much of Asia is in the same boat

    Luckily we've done fairly well stealing other countries young people so our demographic crisis is further down the road

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    Disingenuous article. The whole of Europe faces the same demographic crisis. Ukraine isn't even the worst one.
    please share what you know about Europe’s demographic crisis. if it’s as bad as you say maybe they need some new blood.

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    Will this require Joe to let Ukraine refugees in?

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    Will this require Joe to let Ukraine refugees in?
    A bit of a sunken snootch there, Mult. I don't like that.

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    Moves to Checkmate

    Despite the repeated Western warnings, Russia is highly unlikely to invade Ukraine — at least not yet. Instead, Russia appears to be entering a new phase of crisis management that seeks to exploit the weaknesses in the US/Nato alliance highlighted by their written responses to its demands.

    First, Russia will keep the diplomatic option open, but on its terms. Moscow has already engaged in so-called Normandy Format talks involving Russia, France, the Germany and Ukraine over the ongoing crisis in Donbas. In the initial meeting, all parties agreed to respect the cease-fire in effect and to meet again in 10 days — the exact opposite of any imminent invasion by Russia. Note the absence of the US and Nato from these talks.

    Next, Russia will turn the threat of sanctions against the US and Europe. Russia has already declared that banning it from the Swift system for international monetary transactions will result in the immediate halt of Russian energy supplies to Europe. Russia is expected to sign major economic agreements with China soon that will further insulate it from economic sanctions. China has made it clear it supports Russia in the current crisis, recognizing that if the West prevails against Russia, it will soon face a similar attack.

    Finally, Russia will exploit US hypocrisy on spheres of influence and military alliances by entering military relationships with Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua and deploying a naval squadron to the Caribbean, with the potential for additional force deployments in the future.

    With these three measures, Russia seeks to further isolate the US from Nato and Europe. In the end, the US will be confronted with one of two options, either agree to trade Nato’s open-door policy for Russian agreement not to deploy into the Western Hemisphere, or force a confrontation that will result in a Russian invasion of Ukraine that is seen by Europe as being the fault of the US.

    The chess pieces are already being moved. While the US may not see it, a Russian checkmate can be predicted sooner, rather than later.

    Scott Ritter is a former US Marine Corps intelligence officer whose service over a 20-plus-year career included tours of duty in the former Soviet Union implementing arms control agreements, serving on the staff of US Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf during the Gulf War and later as a chief weapons inspector with the UN in Iraq from 1991-98.

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    " After years of behaving like a teenager shadow boxing in the basement of his mother’s house, playing out the fantasy of knocking out Ivan Drago in the 1985 movie Rocky IV, the US and NATO find themselves confronting the reality."
    – Scott Ritter

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    Moves to Checkmate

    Despite the repeated Western warnings, Russia is highly unlikely to invade Ukraine — at least not yet. Instead, Russia appears to be entering a new phase of crisis management that seeks to exploit the weaknesses in the US/Nato alliance highlighted by their written responses to its demands.

    First, Russia will keep the diplomatic option open, but on its terms. Moscow has already engaged in so-called Normandy Format talks involving Russia, France, the Germany and Ukraine over the ongoing crisis in Donbas. In the initial meeting, all parties agreed to respect the cease-fire in effect and to meet again in 10 days — the exact opposite of any imminent invasion by Russia. Note the absence of the US and Nato from these talks.

    Next, Russia will turn the threat of sanctions against the US and Europe. Russia has already declared that banning it from the Swift system for international monetary transactions will result in the immediate halt of Russian energy supplies to Europe. Russia is expected to sign major economic agreements with China soon that will further insulate it from economic sanctions. China has made it clear it supports Russia in the current crisis, recognizing that if the West prevails against Russia, it will soon face a similar attack.

    Finally, Russia will exploit US hypocrisy on spheres of influence and military alliances by entering military relationships with Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua and deploying a naval squadron to the Caribbean, with the potential for additional force deployments in the future.

    With these three measures, Russia seeks to further isolate the US from Nato and Europe. In the end, the US will be confronted with one of two options, either agree to trade Nato’s open-door policy for Russian agreement not to deploy into the Western Hemisphere, or force a confrontation that will result in a Russian invasion of Ukraine that is seen by Europe as being the fault of the US.

    The chess pieces are already being moved. While the US may not see it, a Russian checkmate can be predicted sooner, rather than later.

    Scott Ritter is a former US Marine Corps intelligence officer whose service over a 20-plus-year career included tours of duty in the former Soviet Union implementing arms control agreements, serving on the staff of US Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf during the Gulf War and later as a chief weapons inspector with the UN in Iraq from 1991-98.
    You picked a winner hater, a pedophile.

    Scott Ritter was caught twice in 2001 in April and June 2001, and arrested shortly after the second incident, in connection with police stings in which officers posed as under-aged girls to arrange meetings of a sexual nature.

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    You picked a winner hater, a pedophile.

    Scott Ritter was caught twice in 2001 in April and June 2001, and arrested shortly after the second incident, in connection with police stings in which officers posed as under-aged girls to arrange meetings of a sexual nature.
    So he writes from jail?

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    So he writes from jail?
    Pedophiles should be in jail, forever; they are sick and cannot be fixed, but go on, keep supporting your buddy.

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    Pedophiles should be in jail, forever; they are sick and cannot be fixed, but go on, keep supporting your buddy.
    So he writes from jail?

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    You picked a winner hater, a pedophile.

    Scott Ritter was caught twice in 2001 in April and June 2001, and arrested shortly after the second incident, in connection with police stings in which officers posed as under-aged girls to arrange meetings of a sexual nature.
    Ritter seems to have a weakness for teenagers. Happened again in 2010, but in between arrests Ritter was right about the WMD mirage that authorized our invasion of Iraq in between.

    Bad people can sometimes be right about things. In this case, Ritter seems to be describing things that have more or less already happened and comes to an unremarkable conclusion -- that the US will either fight Russia or it won't.

    He does downplay the chance that Russia will invade, he might be wrong about that.

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    Ritter seems to have a weakness for teenagers. Happened again in 2010, but in between arrests Ritter was right about the WMD mirage that authorized our invasion of Iraq in between.

    Bad people can sometimes be right about things. In this case, Ritter seems to be describing things that have more or less already happened and comes to an unremarkable conclusion -- that the US will either fight Russia or it won't.

    He does downplay the chance that Russia will invade, he might be wrong about that.
    He actually says more than that.

    He says Russia has the upper hand because:

    1) they are having diplomatic talks directly w Ukraine, Germany and France. Since they hold milktary superiorityin that region, you could say they have the advantage in the talks

    2) as long as china keeps buying more gas from Russia. The sanctions wont be a huge issue. And if they kick them out of Swift, gas is turned off for Europe. So they have an advantage here too

    3) they are forming a precense in Latin America joining forces with Nicaragua, Cuba, Venezuela. I disagree here this is nothing but symbolic. They might send a naval group to tour those areas but will mainly be symbolic. No advantage here.

    He also says there are 2 possible outcomes:
    1) NATO agrees to their demands ( that wont happen)
    2) the dials are turned higher and Europe will fall into an economic and energy crisis. That could also become a military one.

    I think theres a third option where there are some under the table concessions by both and its publicly a stalemate.

    Im hoping for option 3

    World peace

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    Russia has the upper hand in assuring their new gas pipeline to Germany, which will provide big bucks, will be shutdown whenever he tries .
    Putin's gambit is leveraged on military might and the downside is he continually makes the economy worse for the Russian household.
    But keep them uneducated and cheering for mother Russia and everything is fine.
    This country, with the most farmland and mineral wealth, is an economic failure. The potential and the results from a king and his court.

    btw Ukraine could add nicely to the farmland and mineral wealth numbers. But to what end? Ukraine is doing a fine job of wasting it on its own after having a Russian puppet president, and then reverse it to an oligarch. And now a guy who actually got elected with a penchant for doing the right thing but he has two powerful competing factions giving him little room for reform.

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    Russia has the upper hand in assuring their new gas pipeline to Germany, which will provide big bucks, will be shutdown whenever he tries .
    Putin's gambit is leveraged on military might and the downside is he continually makes the economy worse for the Russian household.
    But keep them uneducated and cheering for mother Russia and everything is fine.
    This country, with the most farmland and mineral wealth, is an economic failure. The potential and the results from a king and his court.

    btw Ukraine could add nicely to the farmland and mineral wealth numbers. But to what end? Ukraine is doing a fine job of wasting it on its own after having a Russian puppet president, and then reverse it to an oligarch. And now a guy who actually got elected with a penchant for doing the right thing but he has two powerful competing factions giving him little room for reform.
    Sad, but true.

    peeg with the comprehensive goods.

    peeg

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    . What a stupid move by Porton Johnson and the toothless re s called the brits

    Putin is probably doing kegstands at the news

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    Porton Johnson


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    Porton missed the call w Vlad. Instead Vlad talked to Italian PM

    US, NATo and now UK totally irrelevant


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    Porton missed the call w Vlad. Instead Vlad talked to Italian PM

    US, NATo and now UK totally irrelevant

    I've no sympathy for him. He turned on Trump.

    Let him crawl, belly-a-draggin'. Crawl, mother er, crawl!!!

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