Official 2022 NBA Draft thread

[The Truth #6]

^ Good analysis.

[R. DeMurre]

Let me clarify: most teams ceiling, based on an understanding of how teams have become either dynasties or some version of a sure thing to contend, is based on having generational talent. Magic. Bird. Jordan. Shaq. Duncan. Lebron. Otherwise it’s some luck here and there with having players a notch below that. Comparing our likely ceiling to this year’s Bulls team is accurate, unless you think we are destined to get another Tim Duncan. No, unless we luck out again, as Pop has always acknowledged in landing Duncan, then, like most teams, we will hope to gather talent and try to get out of the second round and see what happens. That’s the state of the NBA unless you form a quickly put together team, and SA is not going to be that sort of destination to attract that talent.

So, let’s hope for luck in the lottery. I’m cool with that.

I think it's very difficult to assess the more recent capabilities of PATFO because the Spurs have experienced such a string of unfortunate situations-- losing Timmy, Manu, and Tony to retirement/Time would be enough to set most franchises back 5 years, but then the disaster with Kawhi happened, and that really hurt. I'd have to say that the late first round picks of Murray, White, and KJ have to be seen as successes, regardless of how anyone feels about their long term viability. For a 29th pick to be a starter is an accomplishment in and of itself, even on a mediocre team. Three 29th picks in a row all being able to stay in the NBA is extremely rare. The other 29th picks of this era taken outside of those Spurs' picks were Josh Huestis, Chris McCollough, Dzanan Musa, and Malachi Flynn... so that shows us something.
The Walker and Samanic picks haven't panned out, though when you look at '18 draft, it's not like there are other guys picked after Walker that would've made a difference anyway. I was never a fan of the Aldridge/DeRozan midrange attack philosophy and think the Spurs wasted two years experimenting with that, but who knows if they could've gotten anything significantly better in trades. Vassell looks pretty good, Primo looks pretty good. I'm optimistic that they'll improve in the near term, but dreams of a 6th championship are definitely on the back burner for a while.

[BackHome]

I still think the organization screwed up by not trading LMA and Gay when they had the chance buying them out and letting them walk for nothing was just plain stupid. We should have gotten draft picks for them by trading them a year or two before they left.

[exstatic]

I still think the organization screwed up by not trading LMA and Gay when they had the chance buying them out and letting them walk for nothing was just plain stupid. We should have gotten draft picks for them by trading them a year or two before they left.

This place is obsessed with getting something for older players before they leave. Players roll off of rosters league wide every year without return. It’s part of the churn of NBA rosters.

[Mr. Body]

I still think the organization screwed up by not trading LMA and Gay when they had the chance buying them out and letting them walk for nothing was just plain stupid. We should have gotten draft picks for them by trading them a year or two before they left.

No one was going to trade draft picks for them. No, the James Wiseman thing was a message board fever dream.

[BackHome]

This place is obsessed with getting something for older players before they leave. Players roll off of rosters league wide every year without return. It’s part of the churn of NBA rosters.

We got a second pick for moving the most hated guy on this forum Forbes - I think we could have gotten something a little better for LMA and Rudy and I am not talking about there last year we should have torn up everything when Timmy retired and when KY left

But alas can’t cry over spilled milk you live and learn and move on

[KingKev]

We got a second pick for moving the most hated guy on this forum Forbes - I think we could have gotten something a little better for LMA and Rudy and I am not talking about there last year we should have torn up everything when Timmy retired and when KY left

But alas can’t cry over spilled milk you live and learn and move on

Agreed there was a time to move LMA, DDR and Gay and even Mills as much as that would have stung certain fans.

Most ppl live and learn. PATFO are incredibly stubborn. I’ve never seen Pop admit fault unless it's him playing Maestro still thinking he is smarter than everyone else.

[exstatic]

Shocking that we let Tim, Tony, and Manu go for nothing…

[RC_Drunkford]

So where would people rank Primo in this draft? They said he would be a top 5 pick if he had stayed in college for another year. I honestly can‘t see it. Maybe top 10 but not top 5

[slick'81]

So where would people rank Primo in this draft? They said he would be a top 5 pick if he had stayed in college for another year. I honestly can‘t see it. Maybe top 10 but not top 5

hard to say when he didn't play at bama. But noway is he a perennial top 5 right now

[KingKev]

So where would people rank Primo in this draft? They said he would be a top 5 pick if he had stayed in college for another year. I honestly can‘t see it. Maybe top 10 but not top 5

Only Spurs fans say that. He should have been a late first rounder last draft and his NBA development thus far does not support him anywhere near top 5 in this one. He hits a few step back 3’s and Spurtalk thinks he is the next James
Harden.

[RC_Drunkford]

hard to say when he didn't play at bama. But noway is he a perennial top 5 right now

I mean he played in the G-League though

[FutureMan]

So where would people rank Primo in this draft? They said he would be a top 5 pick if he had stayed in college for another year. I honestly can‘t see it. Maybe top 10 but not top 5

IMO late lottery would be fair.

[BatManu20]

Chet Holmgren putting on a performance on ESPN2 right now. He’s going off, albeit against a ty team.

He’s going to end up going first overall tbh.

[Trueblood]

They lost to the Spurs. Bulls won’t last past the second round. They’re not winning anything.

So by that logic that rules out GS, Utah, Denver, Boston and Milwaukee since they lost to us also. I didn't realize he spurs were a litmus test for championship pedigree.

Regardless of the flawed logic in your statement, it doesn't matter if they are going to win or not, what matters is that they believe they can and given their standings most teams would believe the same. I'm contending that this belief is what is driving DDR to play harder and have more effort.

[The Truth #6]

Ex doing a lot of mid-level trolling. Not the best but not bad, either.

The Spurs are the team that good teams now typically rest their best players against, at least when they can. But the players want to win. I mean, in this environment, might as well play Primo as much as we can. He’s overhyped here, but at least is improving.

[rjv]

So where would people rank Primo in this draft? They said he would be a top 5 pick if he had stayed in college for another year. I honestly can‘t see it. Maybe top 10 but not top 5

the only way to know would be to judge how these players would have fared in college and not on how they are performing in the NBA. but we'll never know what kind of sop re season that primo would have had at bama.

[rjv]

Ex doing a lot of mid-level trolling. Not the best but not bad, either.

The Spurs are the team that good teams now typically rest their best players against, at least when they can. But the players want to win. I mean, in this environment, might as well play Primo as much as we can. He’s overhyped here, but at least is improving.

i'm not saying this might not be true but do you happen to know just how many teams have rested their best players against the spurs this season? i've seen every game and not that many come to mind (covid protocols not included).

[The Truth #6]

I remember GS very recently. I would say it’s something I noticed occasionally, and something I never noticed before. So maybe it’s more of a new thing than something super common. I was being a little sarcastic also.

[The Truth #6]

In fairness, Covid could also play a role.

[R. DeMurre]

I love Primo's fearlessness in both shooting and driving, but I think his handle needs a lot of work. You don't lead the G league in turnovers because you've already got great handles. And most Spurs' fans so far are overestimating his defense, which hasn't been great in either league yet. Every time Primo gets a steal or a block, someone says "omg, amazing D from Primo" but that's not the best way to judge defense. His D against Miami last night was definitely the D of a very young & inexperienced player getting worked by the likes of Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson. And if you think his G League stats are impressive, check out the G League stats of Moses Moody or Trey Murphy lll. I like the kid, but if you went by some of the opinions on spurstalk, you'd think that maybe the Timberwolves were on the phone offering to trade Anthony Edwards straight up for him.

[RC_Drunkford]

I love Primo's fearlessness in both shooting and driving, but I think his handle needs a lot of work. You don't lead the G league in turnovers because you've already got great handles. And most Spurs' fans so far are overestimating his defense, which hasn't been great in either league yet. Every time Primo gets a steal or a block, someone says "omg, amazing D from Primo" but that's not the best way to judge defense. His D against Miami last night was definitely the D of a very young & inexperienced player getting worked by the likes of Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson. And if you think his G League stats are impressive, check out the G League stats of Moses Moody or Trey Murphy lll. I like the kid, but if you went by some of the opinions on spurstalk, you'd think that maybe the Timberwolves were on the phone offering to trade Anthony Edwards straight up for him.

spurstalkers wouldn't want to trade Edwards for Primo

[KingKev]

I love Primo's fearlessness in both shooting and driving, but I think his handle needs a lot of work. You don't lead the G league in turnovers because you've already got great handles. And most Spurs' fans so far are overestimating his defense, which hasn't been great in either league yet. Every time Primo gets a steal or a block, someone says "omg, amazing D from Primo" but that's not the best way to judge defense. His D against Miami last night was definitely the D of a very young & inexperienced player getting worked by the likes of Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson. And if you think his G League stats are impressive, check out the G League stats of Moses Moody or Trey Murphy lll. I like the kid, but if you went by some of the opinions on spurstalk, you'd think that maybe the Timberwolves were on the phone offering to trade Anthony Edwards straight up for him.

Yessir. Still has a high upside but no clear indication he will be elite. I think this course of development for him is entirely justified. I still see him in the g-league next year as required.

[Dejounte]

You’d think that the same people who defend Murray now against people who doubted him and weren’t patient enough to see it play out that those same people wouldn’t be so quick to make premature statements about what Primo’s ceiling will be.

Comparatively, Primo is the best looking rook we’ve had since Murray.

[KingKev]

You’d think that the same people who defend Murray now against people who doubted him and weren’t patient enough to see it play out that those same people wouldn’t be so quick to make premature statements about what Primo’s ceiling will be.

Comparatively, Primo is the best looking rook we’ve had since Murray.

He definitely is the best looking rookie since DJ but DJ possessed clear intangibles that simply can't be taught… from the jump. He was an absolute ball hawk an elite rebounder with a chip on his shoulder from the get go.

Primo has shown more offensive talent at a younger age but he is certainly over valued by most of Spurstalk. I realize most here don’t watch other games and only some even actually watch Spurs games but so far Primo hasn’t shown anything to be regarded as the future super star many on this board assume.