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    The Raptors don't have an expendable young player and wouldn't be amendable to making a fair trade even if they did and the Bulls only have White, which doesn't make a lot of sense.



    Cir stances changed quickly, but in the end it's more luck for the Raptors.

    This is not a good trade for the Trail Blazers, but even though it's a clear talent upgrade for the Clippers with little downside, it's not a great fit either.

    They needed a third option who could defend small guards and play make; Powell can't provide either. This could mean Morris is traded next to reduce the tax hit/increase draft capital, but it'd eventually equal more S bag at the four, reducing one of their advantages which was size on the wings.
    Massaj wouldn’t hire Brian Wright as his errand boy. Unpaid still a no.

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    Damn that simmons trade is actually going to happen huh
    Simmons playing with Patty at Nets? I mean without Harden, I could root for Nets to go all the way.

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    Damn that simmons trade is actually going to happen huh
    There has to be another team or teams involved. If this is straight up, neither Kyrie or Simmons could play in home games. Durant is also currently out.

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    Yeah, I'm with you on that. RC Drunkford said he'd go all in but only offer the Chi pick.

    I mean the Spurs have some 2nd rounders they can throw in and the Detroit pick is actually a high 2nd. There is no way where I would offer 2 firsts for Collins in our current situation. But 1 pick, White, Walker, McDermott and Thad Young should all be on the table. I rather meant they should really push to get a deal done, not get fleeced

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    Chicago has Portlands first this year? yes I'm taking that deal then. Williams would be a great pickup when healthy and Spurs end up with another lotto pick. Do it Mitch err I mean Brian
    Portland's pick is like the Detroit first OKC owns. It's lottery protected for years and shunts into a second in like 2027. It's not a good asset.

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    There has to be another team or teams involved. If this is straight up, neither Kyrie or Simmons could play in home games.
    Simmons is reportedly vaccinated.

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    Biased national media types will spin it as extremely wealthy owner/"intelligent front office" doing work, but it's bad optics for the league as it continues to look like a feeder system.



    They're trying to re-tool around Lillard on the fly, but a Lillard-Simmons back court would have as much as more defensive issues as a Lillard-McCollum one. Apparently Nurkic has low value.




    At this board continuing to believe that Wright is the lead decision maker. Classic case of blame the "black" (biracial) man.
    While praising the other black guy? That’s ridiculous.

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    Portland's pick is like the Detroit first OKC owns. It's lottery protected for years and shunts into a second in like 2027. It's not a good asset.
    Thanks for clarifying

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    Simmons is reportedly vaccinated.
    That’s news. He wasn’t when all of this started in Nov.

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    Biased national media types will spin it as extremely wealthy owner/"intelligent front office" doing work, but it's bad optics for the league as it continues to look like a feeder system.



    They're trying to re-tool around Lillard on the fly, but a Lillard-Simmons back court would have as much as more defensive issues as a Lillard-McCollum one. Apparently Nurkic has low value.




    At this board continuing to believe that Wright is the lead decision maker. Classic case of blame the "black" (biracial) man.
    Pop couldn’t either. Imagine Coach Pop at the poker table? He belongs at the slots.

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    Blazers GM is doing coke with Nasir Little. What kinda dumbass trade is that?

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    via Marc Stein

    To convince San Antonio to surrender Jakob Poeltl, sources say, would require a future first-round pick and a quality player

    The Spurs would be more open to moving Poeltl had Gregg Popovich already broken the league’s all-time record for coaching victories. Popovich remains seven shy of passing his pal Don Nelson’s 1,335 career wins.
    Pop still holding the franchise hostage

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    “Surrender” Jak? That’s obnoxious.

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    Really don't think Stein has been right about much for a while now. And the Spurs don't have to trade Poeltl. That's the good old major media creating narratives once again.

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    That’s news. He wasn’t when all of this started in Nov.
    This started late summer. Players are not required to publicly divulge vaccination status.

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    Portland's pick is like the Detroit first OKC owns. It's lottery protected for years and shunts into a second in like 2027. It's not a good asset.
    It’s also not awful either. Here are the actual protections:

    2022 first round draft pick from Portland
    Portland's 1st round pick to Chicago protected for selections 1-14 in 2022, 1-14 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024, 1-14 in 2025, 1-14 in 2026, 1-14 in 2027 and 1-14 in 2028; if Portland has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Chicago by 2028, then Portland will instead convey its 2028 2nd round pick to Chicago

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    This started late summer. Players are not required to publicly divulge vaccination status.
    No, they’re not. Folks usually find out when they’re not, though.

    I think it was divulged when he first went back to Philly. Apparently, it’s changed since.

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    No, they’re not. Folks usually find out when they’re not, though.

    I think it was divulged when he first went back to Philly. Apparently, it’s changed since.
    You are correct. When BS came back to Philly it was reported that he was unvaccinated at that time. I've seen nothing on it either way since..

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    You are correct. When BS came back to Philly it was reported that he was unvaccinated at that time. I've seen nothing on it either way since..
    Its been reported in a few places. I just grabbed the first one returned on a search.

    All those Simmons destinations look more plausible now.

    Simmons reportedly reported to the 76ers unvaccinated in October. But his status has changed.

    Ramona Shelburne of ESPN:

    "sources say Simmons chose to get vaccinated."
    https://nba.nbcsports.com/2022/02/02...en-vaccinated/

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    While praising the other black guy? That’s ridiculous.
    Only because he "won" a tainted championship.

    If you're going to blame Wright for the Spurs predicament, then by definition you should be crediting Webster (Raptors GM) for theirs.


    Pop couldn’t either. Imagine Coach Pop at the poker table? He belongs at the slots.
    Pop is overrated (virtually all successful executives/coaches are) and deserves his share of blame, but he's also won 5, nearly 6 above reproach championships in a small market and presided over the most successful/model franchise in sports for 2 decades, yet somehow he now has less credibility than a puke who's one shining moment he provided.

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    Only because he "won" a tainted championship.

    If you're going to blame Wright for the Spurs predicament, then by definition you should be crediting Webster (Raptors GM) for theirs.




    Pop is overrated (virtually all successful executives/coaches are) and deserves his share of blame, but he's also won 5, nearly 6 above reproach championships in a small market and presided over the most successful/model franchise in sports for 2 decades, yet somehow he now has less credibility than a puke who's one shining moment he provided.
    He is a great coach and has had great achievements in scouting, free agency and development of players over the years. If Pop remains heavily involved in trades and signing the last 5 years, including the return of Kahwi he has clearly lost a step.

    Massai is making all the right moves.

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    Blazers GM is doing coke with Nasir Little. What kinda dumbass trade is that?
    Its the kind of trade that a desperate dumbass front office makes ... apparently one worse than ours. We hardly make any trades, Portland makes really bad ones.

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    It’s also not awful either. Here are the actual protections:

    2022 first round draft pick from Portland
    Portland's 1st round pick to Chicago protected for selections 1-14 in 2022, 1-14 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024, 1-14 in 2025, 1-14 in 2026, 1-14 in 2027 and 1-14 in 2028; if Portland has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Chicago by 2028, then Portland will instead convey its 2028 2nd round pick to Chicago
    Yeah, that's not good. Lottery protected until 2028 rather than just 2027. I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that that pick ends up being a second. I certainly wouldn't count on it being a first for quite some time.

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    Wasn't Portland really close to the tax? The pay-out for non-payers is going to be huge this year, I think a record. Did this get Portland under the number?

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    Its the kind of trade that a desperate dumbass front office makes ... apparently one worse than ours. We hardly make any trades, Portland makes really bad ones.
    They over paid for RoCo from the jump but they are clearly setting up for a reset and Powell had 75mm remaining on his deal. They did just save 20 or so million towards their cap for 2021-22 and I like the idea of getting ahead of the trade deadline to get things done.
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